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What if... One-club men lived forever

The year is 2017. Top scientists have finally cracked the ability to stop ageing, and the world rejoices. The discovery prompts an immediate FIFA investigation into exactly what this means for world football from now on. How will the careers come and go when every team can just preserve their best stars? How will the next Messi break through? The Qatar FA suggest restricting it to only Qatari players, a motion that's only narrowly defeated. In unrelated news, a bunch of mysterious Qatari bank accounts are seized the day before the vote. Eventually, a compromise is decided upon between. Only those players who’ve proven themselves to be in it for the sport, and their team, can use it. The players who have stuck with their team through thick and thin, who’ve turned down bigger money offers to stay where they are. One-Club Men. However, should their loyalty ever waiver, and they choose to leave, those players will lose their right to an everlasting career, and have to face the advance years once again. Who will remain loyal the longest? Who will ride out the lowest of lows to stay at their lifelong club?
Unfortunately for those of you hoping I’ve found a secret miracle, that’s just the best nonsense I could come up with to frame this scenario. In less dramatic terms, using FM 2017, I'm going to select 50 one-club men from the top 5 leagues and de-age them to around 22. Every 5 years I'll de-age them down to 22 again, unless they abandon their loyalty. I'll also be adjusting everyone's contract to expire in 2020 to make it equal, and undoing international retirements where necessary. Nothing overly complicated, but I’m expecting this one to run a long long time if I’m going to have everyone leave, so I’m good with it not being too complicated.
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So who actually qualifies for this? I've restricted it to players from the Top 5 leagues of England, Italy, Spain, Germany and France, and only included those that have been at their clubs the longest. As well as the genuine candidates like Messi and Totti, loaned out players like Lahm qualify, as do those like Iniesta who haven't left in FM 2017, and even those that have left in-game, but are known for their careers at one club. Buffon is a good example of the latter. I've included a link to an image with all 5 players here: link
With all this loyalty around, I wanted to mix it up a bit by adding in one final player. Someone completely opposite to everyone picked so far, the anti-one-club man, the journeyman of all journeymen. And after some research, I came up with the perfect candidate. Sebastián Abreu, a man who in his career has played at an impressive 29 different teams in 11 different countries, setting a Guinness world record along the way. Abreu will receive the same treatment as the loyal players, except it won’t stop when he moves team. I want him to move around more, spread his wings, see how many teams he can collect over an illustrious career.
That’s enough explaining for now. Should be pretty clear what’s going on, just a bunch of footballers never getting old. Time to get things rolling and see who eliminates themselves. Who can stick it out the longest, who will become THE one-club man?

2016/17

With our younger one club men unleashed on the world, many of them attract instant attention from new clubs. For a while it stays quiet and looks like the first transfer window may pass without incident. Only a few loans crop up... until Javi López because the first man to fall. With Espanyol not meeting his standards, he makes a £2.4M trip down the coast to join Valencia. He proves to be the only summer casualty by the time the window slams shut.
January brings the winter window, and the Premier League clubs start to sniff around, ready to throw bags of cash at unsuspecting players. It doesn’t take long before the next two players are reeled in by money and lose their eternal youth. First Marcel Schmelzer in a £20.5M move to Liverpool, followed by Bruno joining moneybags Man City. By the end of the window, Nacho also heads to the north of England, joining rivals Man United. I’m not sure if any of them have realised how damn cold it is up there. That window swiftly ends, settling the bottom 4 finishers in the competition.
Returning to the world of actual football results briefly, and there aren’t many shocks to be seen. Man City finish 6th, Everton get relegated and Borussia Mönchengladbach reach the Champions League Semi-Finals. A few players see their team relegated, as Werder Bremen, Caen and Freiburg go down, so there could be a few casualties once that disappointment has set in. But all in all, the footballing world has coped just fine.
Loyal Players Remaining: 46
Abreu Club Count: 23 clubs in 10 countries
Odd Winners: None

2017/18

With everyone’s transfer budgets warmed up, it doesn’t take long for the action to get back underway. The previous season has barely finished before Chris Solly trades in his morals for a Premier League move to Norwich. Sergio Álvarez joins him in England, making the slightly odd move to Bournemouth before a big £52M move sees Koke trade loyalty for a big move to Man City. That’s the most surprising move so far, as I expected many of the players at top clubs to stick around. The final two transfers of the window take us to sunny Spain, where both Xabi Prieto and Mario become massive glory hunters, trading in their life long clubs for Atletico Madrid and Barcelona respectively. Javi López, having left Espanyol to join Valencia last year, immediately realises his mistake and rejoins Espanyol. It’s too little too late though, his status as a one-club man is already ruined.
The winter window comes and goes without even a hint of action, so things may already be starting to quieten down. Over in Brazil, Sebastián Abreu has his contract with Bangu come to an end after a good season but fails to attract any new suitors before the European season ends.
Around the world, things keep ticking on relatively normally. Watford take a surprising FA Cup win despite finishing rock bottom of the league, meaning they’ll have European nights alongside their Championship campaign. The loyalty of Seube, Höfler and Bargfrede is rewarded, as Caen, Bremen and Freiburg are immediately promoted back to the top tier. Las Palmas head in the opposite direction, which causes David García to hand in an immediate transfer request. The Spaniard could very well be the next player to go.
Loyal Players Remaining: 41
Abreu Club Count: 23 clubs in 10 countries
Odd Winners: Watford (FA Cup)

2018/19

My suggestion that things may be quietening down is immediately disproved by the biggest move so far. Bayern Munich legend Philipp Lahm makes a huge £82M transfer to Manchester City, throwing away all he’d built up at Bayern so far. But it doesn't end there, as 2 more huge transfers are finalised right after. First Claudio Marchisio drops Juventus, clearly not happy with them losing the title to AC Milan, and moves to Real Madrid. Then Daniele De Rossi trades in Roma for Barcelona. Whilst both have moved in real life, I didn’t expect either to fall so early in this, being icons at such huge clubs. A little later, David García makes his predicted move away from relegated Las Palmas, opting to stay in Spain with Osasuna. And then on the final day of the window, one last move. David Zurutuza decides the Premier League is more to his taste and joins Noble at West Ham. Javi López continues his tour of Spain, realising rejoining Espanyol doesn’t earn him back everlasting youth, and so heads to Sevilla instead. Currently, he’s moved around more than the specific journeyman player I chose to actually move around. Talking of, Abreu does find a new contract, heading back to Uruguay to join River Plate Montevideo.
The winter transfer window is again mostly quiet, with very little potential action. There are still some transfers though, as Robin Knoche becomes the 15th person out, heading to Borussia Dortmund. Then a legend moves on, as Iker Casillas decides that barely getting any game time behind Keylor Navas isn’t worth it, and so joins Monaco for a mere £11M. I guess you can't escape the real world after all.
The summer of 2018 means a World Cup, a tournament which regularly creates bizarre results in Football Manager. This year is no exception, as the likes of Italy, Belgium and Argentina fall in the group stages, before South Korea beat both Germany and France in the knockouts. The final between Brazil and Croatia proves 100% less heartbreaking than the real 2018 final for the Croatians, as they become champions of the world. In domestic football, Man United take all the English trophies on offer in a Quadruple, whilst Freiburg find themselves relegated yet again, as do Montpellier.
Loyal Players Remaining: 34
Abreu Club Count: 24 clubs in 10 countries
Odd Winners: Croatia (World Cup)

2019/20

Another season, another transfer window, another set of swirling rumours around our one-club men. Borussia Dortmund manage to steal away another of our competitors from a German rival, taking Timo Horn early in the window. Having been relegated yet again last season, Nicolas Höfler decides enough is enough and leaves Freiburg for Hertha Berlin. Over in Italy, and Chievo Legend Sergio Pellissier finally caves, leaving his relegation-threatened lifelong team for European battlers Fiorentina. But that's all the entertainment I can offer, no big signings this time around I’m afraid. Let's go see what Javi López is up to instead. His merry-go-round of clubs continues yet again, moving over to Deportivo de La Coruña in the latest of his ever-decreasing value of transfers.
January retains its typical bleak and dull atmosphere, with no sign of action whatsoever until the final day of the window. Hugo Mallo decides to try and add to his trophy cabinet and heads to Man United. Not the worst career move to throw away eternal life for considering their dominance right now. And with his departure, the total number of players that we've lost hits a nice round 20.
In the Premier League, Man United claim their 4th title in a row, exerting total dominance over everyone. But where one dominance rises, another falls, with Dortmund claiming the Bundesliga to knock Bayern off their perch. The shock of the season comes in the Coupe de France, where 3rd tier LB Châteauroux knock out Lyon, Auxerre and PSG before falling to Caen in the semi-finals. With Monaco having fallen to 4th tier SA Spinalien, Caen beat an easier opposition of RC Lens in the final, leading to Seube lifting the teams first-ever Coupe de France. Not bad for a player I expected to never lift a trophy. On a less joyous note, Höfler having left relegated Freiburg, sees his new team Hertha relegated immediately too. It seems there is no escaping the 2. Bundesliga!
On the record front, Gianluigi Buffon sets a huge benchmark, breaking the 200 cap mark for Italy. With no-one else close to him, he’ll stay the leader for a long time. Messi also breaks a boundary, climbing through 400 league goals during his career at Barcelona. Like Buffon, he’s way clear of any competitor, and unless a miracle happens that sees him abandon Barcelona, I can’t see anyone catching him soon.
Loyal Players Remaining: 30
Abreu Club Count: 24 clubs in 10 countries
Odd Winners: Caen (Coupe de France)

2020/21

2020 arrives, and with it, two important points arrive too. Firstly, everyone gets de-aged for the first time in this experiment. The 20 that have left get to watch from a distance thinking about what could have been. Second, the initial contracts are set to expire, so anyone that hasn’t re-signed will out the door. Which is exactly what happens to Víctor Valdés. Having barely appeared for Barcelona since his return, he leaves the club on a free and heads to the southern French coast to join Marseille. A day later and someone else leaves France, as Romain Danzé who decides one de-ageing is enough and moves to Schalke. Tony Hibbert also struggled for games at Everton despite his new youthful look, and so he walks out the door. He opts for Aston Villa, who to my great surprise have sunk to a mid-table League 1 team. Feeling left out, Spain joins in, with Oier Sanjurjo departing Osasuna and moving to Villarreal. The window is then capped by a bizarre final free transfer. Despite appearing regularly, Xavi isn’t offered a new contract by Barcelona. Man City can’t quite believe their luck and snap up the Spanish wizard a few days before the window shuts.
Winter brings with it just one transfer in its usual action-heavy way. Roberto Torres leaves Osasuna, making a £35.5M switch to Atletico. I’m not sure whether Atletico thought they were getting a different de-aged Torres because that can only be described as an overpayment. Either way, that means we've now lost over half the competitors.
Euro 2020 passes, and Croatia prove their World Cup victory was no fluke, becoming both champions of the World, and champions of Europe. On the Continental front, things have been fairly predictable so far, at least until this years Europa League. Hoffenheim escape a tough group and go all the way to win the entire thing. Not bad for a team that barely qualified in the first place. Oh, and Messi wins a little thing called the Ballon d’Or for the 10th time. I think he’s only just getting started.
Loyal Players Remaining: 24
Abreu Club Count: 24 clubs in 10 countries
Odd Winners: Hoffenheim (Europa League)

2021/22

The 21/22 season begins with two transfers on the first day. Loïc Perrin makes his way to the Premier League to join Leicester. But that's a minor splash compared to the other move, as after 768 appearances and 302 goals, Francesco Totti leaves Roma. It seems wrong to see it, but he’ll now be wearing a Man United kit. Dortmund continue their run of stealing loyalty, this time bringing Tony Jantschke into the fold. Another contract is run to the end, forcing Álex Bergantiños out of Deportivo without much choice, before being picked up by Cagliari. Mikel González opts to end his time at Real Sociedad, joining Pellissier over at Fiorentina. And as August comes to a close, it looks like Totti may be the only big departure. That is until Gianluigi Buffon decides to call time on his Juventus career. It’s an odd move, with the legend going sorta sideways from a regular starting Juventus spot to Bayern Munich. But there’s no going back now, as his 636 league appearance career with the Italians comes to a close. Two legends down in one window.
No season is complete without a single winter signing to warrant an entire separate paragraph, and this season is no different. Sergi Roberto moves away from Barcelona, in a £24M move to French giants PSG. A good way to guarantee yourself plenty of titles I guess. Abreu also makes a winter move, adding Guarani in the Brasilian second tier to his collection.
Roberto’s decision proves to be a good one, as PSG go on to claim their 10th one in a row. Not many surprises elsewhere, although Real Oviedo get close to pulling off a shock in the Copa del Rey. The second tier team beat Osasuna, Barcelona and Sevilla on the way to the final, but ultimately Real Madrid prove a step too far. Elsewhere everything is won by a team you’d probably expect. Exciting stuff.
Loyal Players Remaining: 17
Abreu Club Count: 25 clubs in 10 countries
Odd Winners: None

2022/23

With the pool of players rapidly decreasing, very few of the crew are even wanted by other clubs anymore. Perhaps deterred by their steadfast loyalty? A few moves do still happen though, so we’re not dead yet. Firstly Anthony Lopes gets fed up of PSG dominating his league and moves to AC Milan for a better shot at a trophy. It’s not long before that story is forgotten, as the biggest transfer fee in the competition so far is dropped. Andrés Iniesta is stolen away from Barcelona, in a huge £86M move to Man United. The midfield maestro fell 2 appearances short of 600 league games for Barcelona, but with his new £300K per-week contract it’s not hard to guess why. That proves to be all the action for the summer window, with no-one willing to top that huge move.
After half a season of hearing their noisy neighbours gloating about their star signing, Man City snap. And if there’s one thing City are good at, it’s splashing the cash. In probably the easiest negotiation over fee Barcelona has ever had, Sergio Busquets makes a £95M move to the sky blues. Yeh, that’ll show United. Once again no-one wants to get in the middle of the awkward Manchester squabble, and the winter transfer closes with a whimper.
The second World Cup of this experiment comes and goes. This time all the giants make it safely through the Group Stages, but it’s Africa that really excels. Morocco make the knockouts, Egypt battle through to the Quarter Finals, but Nigeria come out best. They beat South Korea and Argentina before falling valiantly to France in the Semi-Finals. A 1-0 victory of Italy does see them finish in an impressive 3rd place, becoming the first African team to finish in the top 3 of the World Cup. France win the title on penalties after a deceivingly action-filled 0-0 draw with Spain. The domestic scene follows that with a similar lack of real shocks. In the Carabao Cup, Bournemouth beat Arsenal, Chelsea and Man United on the way to lifting the trophy. But it’s the lesser Cup, so outside of Bournemouth no-one really cares. PSG finally have their grip on the Ligue 1 broken, as Casillas leads Monaco to a fantastic title. Otherwise, all the league titles and cups fall to teams you’d expect them too. Another thrilling year.
Loyal Players Remaining: 14
Abreu Club Count: 25 clubs in 10 countries
Odd Winners: Bournemouth (Carabao Cup)

2023/24

Literally nothing happens. Thomas Kessler decides that no team can ignore his existence for 20 seasons in a row and get away with it, leaving Köln to join Trabzonspor. So as I said, literally nothing happens. Even Javi López moving to yet another club would be more interesting than that.
The same applies to the footballing season. Asides from Casillas captaining Monaco to a Champions League title, or Atletico winning the title again, exactly 10 years after their last win, everything is frustratingly normal. And even those two events are hardly shocks.
Before I start to lose hope, there are a few interesting moves over the last few years from the losing group that are worth highlighting. First season mover Bruno didn’t make the impact he hoped and found himself moving to the lovely Stoke. Robin Knoche barely received any playtime at Dortmund and found himself cast out to Dinamo Zagreb. Even in League 1, Tony Hibbert could barely get any game time at Villa and so moved on the Scunthorpe in League 2. But the winner of the oddest move has to be Zurutuza, who somehow manage to pull off a move to Liverpool after West Ham found themselves relegated, only make a few disappointing performances, before being released on a free to join Al-Arabi in Qatar. Not quite the career he was anticipating when joining the Premier League I bet.
Loyal Players Remaining: 13
Abreu Club Count: 25 clubs in 10 countries
Odd Winners: None

2024/25

The summer transfer window arrives for another season, and with it finally comes a huge deal! Javi López has found yet another club! Hooray! As for actual competitors, absolutely no movement whatsoever. Even from Abreu, who’s been at Guarani for 2.5 years now. Manceau, Lewington and Seube complain to their managers about playing time or relegation, but none of them actually make a move anywhere. So our final 13 will add another 5 years onto their career length.
There are some fun statistics from our 51 worth mentioning at this point. Buffon leads the way with both total league appearances (935) and international caps (259). His caps are at a point where they’re too high for the game to display, as the value is stored as an unsigned 8-bit integer, and so has rolled over to just show 3. Most appearances for a single club goes to Dean Lewington however, who thanks to being a regular sits at 857 league appearances for the MK Dons (or 889 if you include Wimbledon). In the goals department, the winner is obvious. With almost 500 league goals, 100 international goals and 14 Ballon d’Or awards, Messi sits on top of everyone. On the international scene, he’s run close by Müller and the fast-approaching Kane, but for league goals, it’s not even close.
2024 brings with it a Euro tournament, which doesn’t provide much in the way of surprises, but brings with it some exciting high scoring matches. All ending in a 4-3 victory for a Thomas Müller led Germany over neighbours Netherlands. Which I’m sure went down very well. The domestic scene decides to spring a few shocks though. In Serie A, Roma claim an impressive title thanks to main striker Iheanacho, their first since 2001. The German and French cups provide surprise winners, in the form of Hertha Berlin and Dijon. Both cap an impressive run by beating their respective league winners, Bayern and Monaco. Even the continental tournaments turn up too. First Monaco cement their place as a top power in football by winning their second Champions League in a row. That coming a week after the best win there could possibly be. Tottenham win the Europa League! Screw the other stuff, that last part is all I need!
Loyal Players Remaining: 13
Abreu Club Count: 25 clubs in 10 countries
Odd Winners: Dijon (Coupe de France), Hertha Berlin (DFB Pokal)

At this point though it’s fair to say that the competition results are more interesting than the movements of the players. Which is the perfect signal that things need to speed up a little bit. So from now on, updates will be every 5 years, which lines up perfectly with player age resets, letting us see who has made it to the next checkpoint.

2025-2030

Another round of de-ageing hits, and you’d think that would incite some interest in our final 13. Instead, it’s a ghost town. We do have an immediate dropout though, as Nicolas Seube finally gets fed up with his lack of playtime at Caen and heads for Panionios in Greece. A year later the situation is repeated. I’m not entirely sure what his unhappiness was about, but Iker Muniain decides he’s had enough of Athletic Club and moves to Hamburger SV. At least he left on exactly 100 goals for Athletic though, a nice round number. With 11 left, a standoff to reach the top 10 ensues. For 3 years no-one budges in their show of loyalty, until in 2029… Dean Lewington leaves for Derby County on a free. It’s a huge move, with Lewington becoming the first man to break through 1000 league appearances for a single club before leaving. But he’s moved on now, and it won’t be long before that record is broken. That move means we’re left with our final 10 contestants. Terry, Iraola, Messi, Susaeta, Noble, Jourdren, Müller, Kane, Manceau and Bargfrede have secured a top 10 spot, and now all that’s left to do is fight it out for number 1.
Over in Brazil, our anti-one-club man continues his journey, although it remains in Brazil for the moment. Only 2 clubs are added to his count, with a long stay at Atletico Goianiense followed by a £2M move to top tier Coritiba. I’m kind of hoping he starts to make enough waves in the Brazilian league to move to Europe and add some new countries to his history.
Those that fell before the first de-ageing are retiring, finishing off their magnificent, or in some cases very un-magnificent, careers (as losers). Javi López finishes his fine anti-loyalty tour around Spain with 7 transfers to his name. Schmelzer, Nacho, Solly, Álvarez, Koke, Mario, Prieto, Marchisio, De Rossi, David García, Zurutuza, Knoche, Höfler, Pellissier, Mallo, Horn and Hibbert end their careers. Many, such as Nacho, Horn and De Rossi stay just as committed to their new clubs as they did their old, finishing out their careers after just a single transfer. Of the pensioners, Sergio Pellissier manages to rack up the most career league appearances and goals, at 894 and 246, although that’s largely thanks to a huge head start. De Rossi dominates on the international scene, earning a whopping 197 caps over his 30-year career. Naturally, all those records will be blown out the water once the next group start retiring, but it’s nice to have some benchmarks.
Around the world, plenty has gone on worth hearing about. The Netherlands claim their first-ever World Cup win, beating Brazil in the final, whilst in the Euro’s Germany win their second tournament in a row. The Gold Cup throws up a few interesting results too, as first, the Mexico B team win it, with their A team tied up in the Confederations Cup. Then 4 years later Canada take the title, only the second time in their history. Over in Italy, Lazio find themselves relegated as the league starts to shake itself up a bit. But other than that, domestic football remains relatively unspectacular. Oh except… TOTTENHAM WINNING THE LEAGUE. Didn’t even have to reset it and we won it before Arsenal did. North London is very much Lilywhite now, suck it Gooners!
Loyal Players Remaining: 10
Abreu Club Count: 27 clubs in 10 countries
Odd Winners: Tottenham (Premier League)

2030-2035

Another 5 years pass and to start with it looks like the top 10 are going to hold firm. Eventually though, the temptation of money proves too much for one man. That man is Geoffrey Jourdren who trades in his starting slot at Montpellier for a cosy backup contract at PSG. Then comes… dead silence. Not even a rumour, or an unhappy player. No-one even hints at leaving for the next 4 years, which means we end the period with nine players on the books. The real waiting game has begun. Even our journeyman Abreu is moving in a very slow way, as a five year Coritiba stint finishes with a free transfer to Red Bull Brasil. I think my hopes for a European move have died.
At least there are a lot of retirements to run through. Bruno, Lahm, Casillas, Valdés, Danzé, Oier, Xavi, Torres, Perrin, Jantschke, Bergantiños, González, Roberto, Iniesta and Busquets hang up their playing boots. That does leave us without some noted legends, with Lahm, Casillas, Iniesta and Busquets reaching 200 caps for their country. You’d think Spain would have won more with that golden generation. Casillas and Xavi also both hit 1000 league appearances thanks to a strong head start before the experiment. But it’s Andrés Iniesta who is the most loyal of the bunch, racking up nearly 600 appearances for his original club before departing.
Five years leaves plenty of time for interesting results once again. England take a World Cup win, which is always a sign of the apocalypse, only made more bizarre by Scotland making the semi-finals in the same competition. Portugal take the other title in that period, whilst the Euros also see a surprise winner in Switzerland. France provides the biggest shock at club level, as Lille come from nowhere to win Ligue 1, and then immediately revert back to mid-table once again. Otherwise, the time belongs to Manchester City. The oil bar… sky blues take 4 out of 5 titles in both the Premier League and Champions League, with all that cash flinging finally paying off.
Loyal Players Remaining: 9
Abreu Club Count: 28 clubs in 10 countries
Odd Winners: England (World Cup), Lille (Ligue 1)

2035-40

With just nine players left, once again we get a transfer fairly early on in the period. Early as in the first transfer window, which makes me wonder why they waited so long. Anyway, Mark Noble has had his patience tested by West Ham’s yoyoing between the Premier League and Championship a bit too much and finally caves. He makes a £20M move to Burnley, who… are doing the exact same thing. Not sure that was the brightest idea. Like the previous 5 years though, one transfer is all we get. None of the others move, despite some pretty heavy unhappiness from Bargfrede and Manceau. Abreu keeps up his trail, running out his contract with Red Bull Brasil and opting for Chapecoense to reach 29 clubs in his career.
With very few moving recently, that also means less and less are retiring, as just 7 ex-competitors leave the game. Totti, Buffon, Lopes, Kessler, Seube, Muniain and Lewington call time on their football life. The fact they all stuck with it for so long means there’s so impressive stats between them. Totti racked up 1154 league appearances, with 768 at Roma. Dean Lewington, after leaving MK Dons with 1003 appearances finished with a total of 1287. Italian legend Gianluigi Buffon finished with a whopping 1307 league appearances, but perhaps more impressively, 334 international caps. But the single most surprising statistic goes to Thomas Kessler. Despite barely playing in Germany he manages to notch a grand total of 7 goals after his move to Turkey. Maybe if he’d been a striker he’d have actually played at Koln. Oh and Seube ends his career Greek. Because why not.
As per every time, a quick look around the world’s results is needed. Spain win back the World Cup titles, whilst Italy take a Euro win. Argentina, Mexico and Australia claim all their continents international trophies in the window, so no massive surprises there. The domestic world isn’t exactly littered with shocks either. Brescia win a Coppa Italia, and Nîmes Olympique grab 4 top 5 finishes in a row in France, but there’s not really much to shout about. I think it’s best to just get on with the next de-ageing.
Loyal Players Remaining: 8
Abreu Club Count: 29 clubs in 10 countries
Odd Winners: Brescia (Coppa Italia)

2040-45

Down to 8 now, so it’s getting tougher. And a lot slower, so slow in fact that not a single transfer in our group happens in five years. For a moment I was excited to see Manceau at Recreativo de Huelva, but that was just a loan. So I was back to being crushed. On the plus side, Abreu makes some huge steps. He adds not just 1, but 2 new countries to his history! The first is Portugal, in a huge step up to join Braga. As usual, it’s just until his contract ends, before he moves on to Frankfurt in the Bundesliga. He’s hardly setting Europe alight but I don’t care, he’s actually moving!
There’s only one retiree to talk about too, as pretty much everyone has already gone. Geoffrey Jourdren finishes up with 925 total league appearances. It probably could have been a bit more, if he’d not spent 10 years of his career being a backup at PSG and Bayern. On a far more interesting note, Terry breaks through 1500 career league appearances. Kane also hits 256 international goals, which results in the number resetting to 0 just like caps. So the game has him on 96 caps with 11 goals, when the actual numbers are a stunning 352 caps with 267 goals.
Having seen my disappointment last time around, the world decides to liven things up. Denmark become both Champions of the World and Champions of Europe in 2042 and 2040, although they lose the European title to Germany 4 years later. At the continental level, the Champions League stays on track, but the Europa League brings some bizarre winners into the mix. Nîmes Olympique, Real Sociedad, Leicester and Bristol City all win a trophy. It seems Mark Noble finally made a right move transferring to Bristol City, as the club is now a strong top 6 Premier League side. Manceau wins a Coupe de France at Angers, but it’s still Nîmes making waves, forming a big three with PSG and Monaco. It may not be long before either Nîmes or Bristol City win their league, which is not something I expected to be saying.
Loyal Players Remaining: 8
Abreu Club Count: 31 clubs in 12 countries
Odd Winners: Nîmes Olympique/Bristol City (Europa League), Angers (Coupe de France)

2045-50

2045 kicks off and once again Manceau deceives me. This time it’s a loan spell in Denmark with Brøndby that had me thinking he was gone. Well you know what they say, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice… I’m probably gonna fall for it. It looks like there’s going to be no moves whatsoever once again, until June 2047 arrives and I notice a contract is set to expire. Imagine my shock when Lionel Messi is not offered a contract by Barcelona and is let go. It’s made doubly worse by the fact that of all teams to pick him up, it's Atletico Madrid. Apparently, 37 Ballon d’Or awards aren’t good enough for Barcelona anymore. I don’t even care that nothing else happens. That’s enough to stun me.
Over in the retirement home, Mark Noble moves into a room. After an up and down career, the Englishman did manage some silverware with Bristol City and ended his career with 1317 league appearances. He even earned not just 1, but 90 England caps across his 44-year career.
Around the world, interesting results are still cropping up. England grab their third World Cup win beating Colombia, whilst Honduras win their first-ever Gold Cup. Much to my bitter disappointment, Arsenal win 4 of the 5 Champions Leagues on offer, as well as 3 Premier League titles. Chelsea have a period of bottom 10 finishes which deeply upsets Terry, whilst over in France, Chamois Niortais begin to try and join the top 3. Don’t worry I’ve never heard of them either.
Loyal Players Remaining: 7
Abreu Club Count: 32 clubs in 12 countries
Odd Winners: Honduras (Gold Cup)

2050-55

With the world still reeling at the fact the Messi has moved from Barcelona, everyone kinda forgets to make any moves. In fact, Messi is the first person to move yet again, leaving Atletico in a very cheap 34.5M move to Man City. Which is more in line with where I originally expected him to go. Abreu finishes one contract, at Hapoel Be’er Sheva, and moves onto the next, but it’s with Monterrey so doesn’t count. Sebastian, it has to be new clubs. John Terry is starting to get frustrated with a Chelsea team that has really fallen from grace. The Londoners barely survive relegation in 2052/53, so Terry may be the next to go. Or maybe I know nothing and it’s completely random.
No-one retires this year, so let’s take a brief look at some statistics of our remaining 7 + Messi. All our players have now reached 1000 appearances, with Bargfrede in last at 1173. Messi has crossed 1000 league goals, now a full 300 clear of the chasing pack of Abreu and Kane. On the international level, Thomas Müller becomes the first player to need a rollover of caps twice, moving on to a massive 524 international caps. But it’s Kane who still leads the international goal stat, nearly breaking 350, a full 50 ahead of the German.
Müller does, however, grab a World Cup win for Germany so I’m sure he won’t be too upset. At least until they’re deposed by Holland 4 years later. On the continental level, Bristol City win another Europa League title beating previous champions Espanyol. Middlesbrough also nearly earn a trophy, having joined Bristol as a top 6 team. But the winner of the biggest shock, although I did say this might happen, goes to Chamois Niortais, who topple the dominance of PSG and Monaco to capture a miraculous Ligue 1 title in the last season of the period.
Loyal Players Remaining: 7
Abreu Club Count: 32 clubs in 12 countries
Odd Winners: Chamois Niortais (Ligue 1), Bristol City/Espanyol (Europa League)

2055-60

The summer window of 2055 opens and as I warned may happen, there’s an almost immediate transfer. Fed up with Chelsea’s mediocre finishes, John Terry decides to move on. Unfortunately for Chelsea fans, Arsenal is his next club, which I’m sure will cause a few shudders. A year later and another move comes around, once again due to unhappiness over the club’s performance. Surprisingly it's Thomas Müller,who's annoyed by the fact that Bayern haven’t won a Bundesliga title since 2048, and so runs down his contract. Leverkusen almost earn his signature, but eventually its the glory of PSG that proves too much to resist. But we’re not done there! Another player runs down their contract, opting to move to Vitoria de Setubal in Portugal. Vincent Manceau finally makes a real move rather than constantly faking me out. So with another 3 players down, we’re left with our final 4. The race for the top 3 is hotting up now!
We do have a retirement this time thanks to the transfer window livening up. The world's best-ever player, Lionel Messi, retires from football. He ends up on a total of 1858 league appearances, scoring a massive 1068 goals in this time. 1430 appearances and 895 goals of those belonging to his 45-year career at Barcelona. On the international scene, he earned an impressive 505 caps and 276 goals. But it’s the awards where he shines. 279 individual awards, 82 team titles, 22 league titles, 6 Champions League titles, 45 Ballon d’Or awards. What makes it even crazier is 41 of those Ballon d’Or awards were in a row, as he earned every single one from 2015 to 2056. I don’t think I’ll see another player like that crop up in any save, truly the world’s best player.
Looking out on the world, I can say that it’s a Chamois Niortais player that breaks Messi’s streak, as the French team claim another two Ligue 1 titles. It’s hard to say they’re a “surprise winner” at this point. Bristol City finally make the full step up to join the big guns, winning 3 Carabao Cups, 1 FA Cup, 2 Premier League titles and even a Champions League trophy. If any Bristol City fans want this save to give themselves hope over the future, I can send it over. Internationally it's the era of Portugal, as they claim both the Euro and World Cup trophies.
Loyal Players Remaining: 4
Abreu Club Count: 32 clubs in 12 countries
Odd Winners: Bristol City (Premier League/Champions League), Lyon (Relegation)

With so few players left, now is probably a good time to speed it up once again. The final four will be tough to budge, so how about we move to 10-year intervals to try and cut down on dead years. And I'll be moving to the comments, because I've hit reddits character limit.
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The year is 2017. Top scientists have finally cracked the ability to stop ageing, and the world rejoices. The discovery prompts an immediate FIFA investigation into exactly what this means for world football from now on. How will the careers come and go when every team can just preserve their best stars? How will the next Messi break through? The Qatar FA suggest restricting it to only Qatari players, a motion that's only narrowly defeated. In unrelated news, a bunch of mysterious Qatari bank accounts are seized the day before the vote. Eventually, a compromise is decided upon between. Only those players who’ve proven themselves to be in it for the sport, and their team, can use it. The players who have stuck with their team through thick and thin, who’ve turned down bigger money offers to stay where they are. One-Club Men. However, should their loyalty ever waiver, and they choose to leave, those players will lose their right to an everlasting career, and have to face the advance years once again. Who will remain loyal the longest? Who will ride out the lowest of lows to stay at their lifelong club?
Unfortunately for those of you hoping I’ve found a secret miracle, that’s just the best nonsense I could come up with to frame this scenario. In less dramatic terms, using FM 2017, I'm going to select 50 one-club men from the top 5 leagues and de-age them to around 22. Every 5 years I'll de-age them down to 22 again, unless they abandon their loyalty. I'll also be adjusting everyone's contract to expire in 2020 to make it equal, and undoing international retirements where necessary. Nothing overly complicated, but I’m expecting this one to run a long long time if I’m going to have everyone leave, so I’m good with it not being too complicated.
Reddit side note! It's me again. Some may remember my experiments from ages ago. I'm back and writing again, but as you can probably tell, with a new name and website. If you want to see this post with much better formatting, all the images, and everyone's profile at the end, go here to read it in full: link You can stay here if you prefer though!
So who actually qualifies for this? I've restricted it to players from the Top 5 leagues of England, Italy, Spain, Germany and France, and only included those that have been at their clubs the longest. As well as the genuine candidates like Messi and Totti, loaned out players like Lahm qualify, as do those like Iniesta who haven't left in FM 2017, and even those that have left in-game, but are known for their careers at one club. Buffon is a good example of the latter. I've included a link to an image with all 5 players here: link
With all this loyalty around, I wanted to mix it up a bit by adding in one final player. Someone completely opposite to everyone picked so far, the anti-one-club man, the journeyman of all journeymen. And after some research, I came up with the perfect candidate. Sebastián Abreu, a man who in his career has played at an impressive 29 different teams in 11 different countries, setting a Guinness world record along the way. Abreu will receive the same treatment as the loyal players, except it won’t stop when he moves team. I want him to move around more, spread his wings, see how many teams he can collect over an illustrious career.
That’s enough explaining for now. Should be pretty clear what’s going on, just a bunch of footballers never getting old. Time to get things rolling and see who eliminates themselves. Who can stick it out the longest, who will become THE one-club man?

2016/17

With our younger one club men unleashed on the world, many of them attract instant attention from new clubs. For a while it stays quiet and looks like the first transfer window may pass without incident. Only a few loans crop up... until Javi López because the first man to fall. With Espanyol not meeting his standards, he makes a £2.4M trip down the coast to join Valencia. He proves to be the only summer casualty by the time the window slams shut.
January brings the winter window, and the Premier League clubs start to sniff around, ready to throw bags of cash at unsuspecting players. It doesn’t take long before the next two players are reeled in by money and lose their eternal youth. First Marcel Schmelzer in a £20.5M move to Liverpool, followed by Bruno joining moneybags Man City. By the end of the window, Nacho also heads to the north of England, joining rivals Man United. I’m not sure if any of them have realised how damn cold it is up there. That window swiftly ends, settling the bottom 4 finishers in the competition.
Returning to the world of actual football results briefly, and there aren’t many shocks to be seen. Man City finish 6th, Everton get relegated and Borussia Mönchengladbach reach the Champions League Semi-Finals. A few players see their team relegated, as Werder Bremen, Caen and Freiburg go down, so there could be a few casualties once that disappointment has set in. But all in all, the footballing world has coped just fine.
Loyal Players Remaining: 46
Abreu Club Count: 23 clubs in 10 countries
Odd Winners: None

2017/18

With everyone’s transfer budgets warmed up, it doesn’t take long for the action to get back underway. The previous season has barely finished before Chris Solly trades in his morals for a Premier League move to Norwich. Sergio Álvarez joins him in England, making the slightly odd move to Bournemouth before a big £52M move sees Koke trade loyalty for a big move to Man City. That’s the most surprising move so far, as I expected many of the players at top clubs to stick around. The final two transfers of the window take us to sunny Spain, where both Xabi Prieto and Mario become massive glory hunters, trading in their life long clubs for Atletico Madrid and Barcelona respectively. Javi López, having left Espanyol to join Valencia last year, immediately realises his mistake and rejoins Espanyol. It’s too little too late though, his status as a one-club man is already ruined.
The winter window comes and goes without even a hint of action, so things may already be starting to quieten down. Over in Brazil, Sebastián Abreu has his contract with Bangu come to an end after a good season but fails to attract any new suitors before the European season ends.
Around the world, things keep ticking on relatively normally. Watford take a surprising FA Cup win despite finishing rock bottom of the league, meaning they’ll have European nights alongside their Championship campaign. The loyalty of Seube, Höfler and Bargfrede is rewarded, as Caen, Bremen and Freiburg are immediately promoted back to the top tier. Las Palmas head in the opposite direction, which causes David García to hand in an immediate transfer request. The Spaniard could very well be the next player to go.
Loyal Players Remaining: 41
Abreu Club Count: 23 clubs in 10 countries
Odd Winners: Watford (FA Cup)

2018/19

My suggestion that things may be quietening down is immediately disproved by the biggest move so far. Bayern Munich legend Philipp Lahm makes a huge £82M transfer to Manchester City, throwing away all he’d built up at Bayern so far. But it doesn't end there, as 2 more huge transfers are finalised right after. First Claudio Marchisio drops Juventus, clearly not happy with them losing the title to AC Milan, and moves to Real Madrid. Then Daniele De Rossi trades in Roma for Barcelona. Whilst both have moved in real life, I didn’t expect either to fall so early in this, being icons at such huge clubs. A little later, David García makes his predicted move away from relegated Las Palmas, opting to stay in Spain with Osasuna. And then on the final day of the window, one last move. David Zurutuza decides the Premier League is more to his taste and joins Noble at West Ham. Javi López continues his tour of Spain, realising rejoining Espanyol doesn’t earn him back everlasting youth, and so heads to Sevilla instead. Currently, he’s moved around more than the specific journeyman player I chose to actually move around. Talking of, Abreu does find a new contract, heading back to Uruguay to join River Plate Montevideo.
The winter transfer window is again mostly quiet, with very little potential action. There are still some transfers though, as Robin Knoche becomes the 15th person out, heading to Borussia Dortmund. Then a legend moves on, as Iker Casillas decides that barely getting any game time behind Keylor Navas isn’t worth it, and so joins Monaco for a mere £11M. I guess you can't escape the real world after all.
The summer of 2018 means a World Cup, a tournament which regularly creates bizarre results in Football Manager. This year is no exception, as the likes of Italy, Belgium and Argentina fall in the group stages, before South Korea beat both Germany and France in the knockouts. The final between Brazil and Croatia proves 100% less heartbreaking than the real 2018 final for the Croatians, as they become champions of the world. In domestic football, Man United take all the English trophies on offer in a Quadruple, whilst Freiburg find themselves relegated yet again, as do Montpellier.
Loyal Players Remaining: 34
Abreu Club Count: 24 clubs in 10 countries
Odd Winners: Croatia (World Cup)

2019/20

Another season, another transfer window, another set of swirling rumours around our one-club men. Borussia Dortmund manage to steal away another of our competitors from a German rival, taking Timo Horn early in the window. Having been relegated yet again last season, Nicolas Höfler decides enough is enough and leaves Freiburg for Hertha Berlin. Over in Italy, and Chievo Legend Sergio Pellissier finally caves, leaving his relegation-threatened lifelong team for European battlers Fiorentina. But that's all the entertainment I can offer, no big signings this time around I’m afraid. Let's go see what Javi López is up to instead. His merry-go-round of clubs continues yet again, moving over to Deportivo de La Coruña in the latest of his ever-decreasing value of transfers.
January retains its typical bleak and dull atmosphere, with no sign of action whatsoever until the final day of the window. Hugo Mallo decides to try and add to his trophy cabinet and heads to Man United. Not the worst career move to throw away eternal life for considering their dominance right now. And with his departure, the total number of players that we've lost hits a nice round 20.
In the Premier League, Man United claim their 4th title in a row, exerting total dominance over everyone. But where one dominance rises, another falls, with Dortmund claiming the Bundesliga to knock Bayern off their perch. The shock of the season comes in the Coupe de France, where 3rd tier LB Châteauroux knock out Lyon, Auxerre and PSG before falling to Caen in the semi-finals. With Monaco having fallen to 4th tier SA Spinalien, Caen beat an easier opposition of RC Lens in the final, leading to Seube lifting the teams first-ever Coupe de France. Not bad for a player I expected to never lift a trophy. On a less joyous note, Höfler having left relegated Freiburg, sees his new team Hertha relegated immediately too. It seems there is no escaping the 2. Bundesliga!
On the record front, Gianluigi Buffon sets a huge benchmark, breaking the 200 cap mark for Italy. With no-one else close to him, he’ll stay the leader for a long time. Messi also breaks a boundary, climbing through 400 league goals during his career at Barcelona. Like Buffon, he’s way clear of any competitor, and unless a miracle happens that sees him abandon Barcelona, I can’t see anyone catching him soon.
Loyal Players Remaining: 30
Abreu Club Count: 24 clubs in 10 countries
Odd Winners: Caen (Coupe de France)

2020/21

2020 arrives, and with it, two important points arrive too. Firstly, everyone gets de-aged for the first time in this experiment. The 20 that have left get to watch from a distance thinking about what could have been. Second, the initial contracts are set to expire, so anyone that hasn’t re-signed will out the door. Which is exactly what happens to Víctor Valdés. Having barely appeared for Barcelona since his return, he leaves the club on a free and heads to the southern French coast to join Marseille. A day later and someone else leaves France, as Romain Danzé who decides one de-ageing is enough and moves to Schalke. Tony Hibbert also struggled for games at Everton despite his new youthful look, and so he walks out the door. He opts for Aston Villa, who to my great surprise have sunk to a mid-table League 1 team. Feeling left out, Spain joins in, with Oier Sanjurjo departing Osasuna and moving to Villarreal. The window is then capped by a bizarre final free transfer. Despite appearing regularly, Xavi isn’t offered a new contract by Barcelona. Man City can’t quite believe their luck and snap up the Spanish wizard a few days before the window shuts.
Winter brings with it just one transfer in its usual action-heavy way. Roberto Torres leaves Osasuna, making a £35.5M switch to Atletico. I’m not sure whether Atletico thought they were getting a different de-aged Torres because that can only be described as an overpayment. Either way, that means we've now lost over half the competitors.
Euro 2020 passes, and Croatia prove their World Cup victory was no fluke, becoming both champions of the World, and champions of Europe. On the Continental front, things have been fairly predictable so far, at least until this years Europa League. Hoffenheim escape a tough group and go all the way to win the entire thing. Not bad for a team that barely qualified in the first place. Oh, and Messi wins a little thing called the Ballon d’Or for the 10th time. I think he’s only just getting started.
Loyal Players Remaining: 24
Abreu Club Count: 24 clubs in 10 countries
Odd Winners: Hoffenheim (Europa League)

2021/22

The 21/22 season begins with two transfers on the first day. Loïc Perrin makes his way to the Premier League to join Leicester. But that's a minor splash compared to the other move, as after 768 appearances and 302 goals, Francesco Totti leaves Roma. It seems wrong to see it, but he’ll now be wearing a Man United kit. Dortmund continue their run of stealing loyalty, this time bringing Tony Jantschke into the fold. Another contract is run to the end, forcing Álex Bergantiños out of Deportivo without much choice, before being picked up by Cagliari. Mikel González opts to end his time at Real Sociedad, joining Pellissier over at Fiorentina. And as August comes to a close, it looks like Totti may be the only big departure. That is until Gianluigi Buffon decides to call time on his Juventus career. It’s an odd move, with the legend going sorta sideways from a regular starting Juventus spot to Bayern Munich. But there’s no going back now, as his 636 league appearance career with the Italians comes to a close. Two legends down in one window.
No season is complete without a single winter signing to warrant an entire separate paragraph, and this season is no different. Sergi Roberto moves away from Barcelona, in a £24M move to French giants PSG. A good way to guarantee yourself plenty of titles I guess. Abreu also makes a winter move, adding Guarani in the Brasilian second tier to his collection.
Roberto’s decision proves to be a good one, as PSG go on to claim their 10th one in a row. Not many surprises elsewhere, although Real Oviedo get close to pulling off a shock in the Copa del Rey. The second tier team beat Osasuna, Barcelona and Sevilla on the way to the final, but ultimately Real Madrid prove a step too far. Elsewhere everything is won by a team you’d probably expect. Exciting stuff.
Loyal Players Remaining: 17
Abreu Club Count: 25 clubs in 10 countries
Odd Winners: None

2022/23

With the pool of players rapidly decreasing, very few of the crew are even wanted by other clubs anymore. Perhaps deterred by their steadfast loyalty? A few moves do still happen though, so we’re not dead yet. Firstly Anthony Lopes gets fed up of PSG dominating his league and moves to AC Milan for a better shot at a trophy. It’s not long before that story is forgotten, as the biggest transfer fee in the competition so far is dropped. Andrés Iniesta is stolen away from Barcelona, in a huge £86M move to Man United. The midfield maestro fell 2 appearances short of 600 league games for Barcelona, but with his new £300K per-week contract it’s not hard to guess why. That proves to be all the action for the summer window, with no-one willing to top that huge move.
After half a season of hearing their noisy neighbours gloating about their star signing, Man City snap. And if there’s one thing City are good at, it’s splashing the cash. In probably the easiest negotiation over fee Barcelona has ever had, Sergio Busquets makes a £95M move to the sky blues. Yeh, that’ll show United. Once again no-one wants to get in the middle of the awkward Manchester squabble, and the winter transfer closes with a whimper.
The second World Cup of this experiment comes and goes. This time all the giants make it safely through the Group Stages, but it’s Africa that really excels. Morocco make the knockouts, Egypt battle through to the Quarter Finals, but Nigeria come out best. They beat South Korea and Argentina before falling valiantly to France in the Semi-Finals. A 1-0 victory of Italy does see them finish in an impressive 3rd place, becoming the first African team to finish in the top 3 of the World Cup. France win the title on penalties after a deceivingly action-filled 0-0 draw with Spain. The domestic scene follows that with a similar lack of real shocks. In the Carabao Cup, Bournemouth beat Arsenal, Chelsea and Man United on the way to lifting the trophy. But it’s the lesser Cup, so outside of Bournemouth no-one really cares. PSG finally have their grip on the Ligue 1 broken, as Casillas leads Monaco to a fantastic title. Otherwise, all the league titles and cups fall to teams you’d expect them too. Another thrilling year.
Loyal Players Remaining: 14
Abreu Club Count: 25 clubs in 10 countries
Odd Winners: Bournemouth (Carabao Cup)

2023/24

Literally nothing happens. Thomas Kessler decides that no team can ignore his existence for 20 seasons in a row and get away with it, leaving Köln to join Trabzonspor. So as I said, literally nothing happens. Even Javi López moving to yet another club would be more interesting than that.
The same applies to the footballing season. Asides from Casillas captaining Monaco to a Champions League title, or Atletico winning the title again, exactly 10 years after their last win, everything is frustratingly normal. And even those two events are hardly shocks.
Before I start to lose hope, there are a few interesting moves over the last few years from the losing group that are worth highlighting. First season mover Bruno didn’t make the impact he hoped and found himself moving to the lovely Stoke. Robin Knoche barely received any playtime at Dortmund and found himself cast out to Dinamo Zagreb. Even in League 1, Tony Hibbert could barely get any game time at Villa and so moved on the Scunthorpe in League 2. But the winner of the oddest move has to be Zurutuza, who somehow manage to pull off a move to Liverpool after West Ham found themselves relegated, only make a few disappointing performances, before being released on a free to join Al-Arabi in Qatar. Not quite the career he was anticipating when joining the Premier League I bet.
Loyal Players Remaining: 13
Abreu Club Count: 25 clubs in 10 countries
Odd Winners: None

2024/25

The summer transfer window arrives for another season, and with it finally comes a huge deal! Javi López has found yet another club! Hooray! As for actual competitors, absolutely no movement whatsoever. Even from Abreu, who’s been at Guarani for 2.5 years now. Manceau, Lewington and Seube complain to their managers about playing time or relegation, but none of them actually make a move anywhere. So our final 13 will add another 5 years onto their career length.
There are some fun statistics from our 51 worth mentioning at this point. Buffon leads the way with both total league appearances (935) and international caps (259). His caps are at a point where they’re too high for the game to display, as the value is stored as an unsigned 8-bit integer, and so has rolled over to just show 3. Most appearances for a single club goes to Dean Lewington however, who thanks to being a regular sits at 857 league appearances for the MK Dons (or 889 if you include Wimbledon). In the goals department, the winner is obvious. With almost 500 league goals, 100 international goals and 14 Ballon d’Or awards, Messi sits on top of everyone. On the international scene, he’s run close by Müller and the fast-approaching Kane, but for league goals, it’s not even close.
2024 brings with it a Euro tournament, which doesn’t provide much in the way of surprises, but brings with it some exciting high scoring matches. All ending in a 4-3 victory for a Thomas Müller led Germany over neighbours Netherlands. Which I’m sure went down very well. The domestic scene decides to spring a few shocks though. In Serie A, Roma claim an impressive title thanks to main striker Iheanacho, their first since 2001. The German and French cups provide surprise winners, in the form of Hertha Berlin and Dijon. Both cap an impressive run by beating their respective league winners, Bayern and Monaco. Even the continental tournaments turn up too. First Monaco cement their place as a top power in football by winning their second Champions League in a row. That coming a week after the best win there could possibly be. Tottenham win the Europa League! Screw the other stuff, that last part is all I need!
Loyal Players Remaining: 13
Abreu Club Count: 25 clubs in 10 countries
Odd Winners: Dijon (Coupe de France), Hertha Berlin (DFB Pokal)

At this point though it’s fair to say that the competition results are more interesting than the movements of the players. Which is the perfect signal that things need to speed up a little bit. So from now on, updates will be every 5 years, which lines up perfectly with player age resets, letting us see who has made it to the next checkpoint.

2025-2030

Another round of de-ageing hits, and you’d think that would incite some interest in our final 13. Instead, it’s a ghost town. We do have an immediate dropout though, as Nicolas Seube finally gets fed up with his lack of playtime at Caen and heads for Panionios in Greece. A year later the situation is repeated. I’m not entirely sure what his unhappiness was about, but Iker Muniain decides he’s had enough of Athletic Club and moves to Hamburger SV. At least he left on exactly 100 goals for Athletic though, a nice round number. With 11 left, a standoff to reach the top 10 ensues. For 3 years no-one budges in their show of loyalty, until in 2029… Dean Lewington leaves for Derby County on a free. It’s a huge move, with Lewington becoming the first man to break through 1000 league appearances for a single club before leaving. But he’s moved on now, and it won’t be long before that record is broken. That move means we’re left with our final 10 contestants. Terry, Iraola, Messi, Susaeta, Noble, Jourdren, Müller, Kane, Manceau and Bargfrede have secured a top 10 spot, and now all that’s left to do is fight it out for number 1.
Over in Brazil, our anti-one-club man continues his journey, although it remains in Brazil for the moment. Only 2 clubs are added to his count, with a long stay at Atletico Goianiense followed by a £2M move to top tier Coritiba. I’m kind of hoping he starts to make enough waves in the Brazilian league to move to Europe and add some new countries to his history.
Those that fell before the first de-ageing are retiring, finishing off their magnificent, or in some cases very un-magnificent, careers (as losers). Javi López finishes his fine anti-loyalty tour around Spain with 7 transfers to his name. Schmelzer, Nacho, Solly, Álvarez, Koke, Mario, Prieto, Marchisio, De Rossi, David García, Zurutuza, Knoche, Höfler, Pellissier, Mallo, Horn and Hibbert end their careers. Many, such as Nacho, Horn and De Rossi stay just as committed to their new clubs as they did their old, finishing out their careers after just a single transfer. Of the pensioners, Sergio Pellissier manages to rack up the most career league appearances and goals, at 894 and 246, although that’s largely thanks to a huge head start. De Rossi dominates on the international scene, earning a whopping 197 caps over his 30-year career. Naturally, all those records will be blown out the water once the next group start retiring, but it’s nice to have some benchmarks.
Around the world, plenty has gone on worth hearing about. The Netherlands claim their first-ever World Cup win, beating Brazil in the final, whilst in the Euro’s Germany win their second tournament in a row. The Gold Cup throws up a few interesting results too, as first, the Mexico B team win it, with their A team tied up in the Confederations Cup. Then 4 years later Canada take the title, only the second time in their history. Over in Italy, Lazio find themselves relegated as the league starts to shake itself up a bit. But other than that, domestic football remains relatively unspectacular. Oh except… TOTTENHAM WINNING THE LEAGUE. Didn’t even have to reset it and we won it before Arsenal did. North London is very much Lilywhite now, suck it Gooners!
Loyal Players Remaining: 10
Abreu Club Count: 27 clubs in 10 countries
Odd Winners: Tottenham (Premier League)

2030-2035

Another 5 years pass and to start with it looks like the top 10 are going to hold firm. Eventually though, the temptation of money proves too much for one man. That man is Geoffrey Jourdren who trades in his starting slot at Montpellier for a cosy backup contract at PSG. Then comes… dead silence. Not even a rumour, or an unhappy player. No-one even hints at leaving for the next 4 years, which means we end the period with nine players on the books. The real waiting game has begun. Even our journeyman Abreu is moving in a very slow way, as a five year Coritiba stint finishes with a free transfer to Red Bull Brasil. I think my hopes for a European move have died.
At least there are a lot of retirements to run through. Bruno, Lahm, Casillas, Valdés, Danzé, Oier, Xavi, Torres, Perrin, Jantschke, Bergantiños, González, Roberto, Iniesta and Busquets hang up their playing boots. That does leave us without some noted legends, with Lahm, Casillas, Iniesta and Busquets reaching 200 caps for their country. You’d think Spain would have won more with that golden generation. Casillas and Xavi also both hit 1000 league appearances thanks to a strong head start before the experiment. But it’s Andrés Iniesta who is the most loyal of the bunch, racking up nearly 600 appearances for his original club before departing.
Five years leaves plenty of time for interesting results once again. England take a World Cup win, which is always a sign of the apocalypse, only made more bizarre by Scotland making the semi-finals in the same competition. Portugal take the other title in that period, whilst the Euros also see a surprise winner in Switzerland. France provides the biggest shock at club level, as Lille come from nowhere to win Ligue 1, and then immediately revert back to mid-table once again. Otherwise, the time belongs to Manchester City. The oil bar… sky blues take 4 out of 5 titles in both the Premier League and Champions League, with all that cash flinging finally paying off.
Loyal Players Remaining: 9
Abreu Club Count: 28 clubs in 10 countries
Odd Winners: England (World Cup), Lille (Ligue 1)

2035-40

With just nine players left, once again we get a transfer fairly early on in the period. Early as in the first transfer window, which makes me wonder why they waited so long. Anyway, Mark Noble has had his patience tested by West Ham’s yoyoing between the Premier League and Championship a bit too much and finally caves. He makes a £20M move to Burnley, who… are doing the exact same thing. Not sure that was the brightest idea. Like the previous 5 years though, one transfer is all we get. None of the others move, despite some pretty heavy unhappiness from Bargfrede and Manceau. Abreu keeps up his trail, running out his contract with Red Bull Brasil and opting for Chapecoense to reach 29 clubs in his career.
With very few moving recently, that also means less and less are retiring, as just 7 ex-competitors leave the game. Totti, Buffon, Lopes, Kessler, Seube, Muniain and Lewington call time on their football life. The fact they all stuck with it for so long means there’s so impressive stats between them. Totti racked up 1154 league appearances, with 768 at Roma. Dean Lewington, after leaving MK Dons with 1003 appearances finished with a total of 1287. Italian legend Gianluigi Buffon finished with a whopping 1307 league appearances, but perhaps more impressively, 334 international caps. But the single most surprising statistic goes to Thomas Kessler. Despite barely playing in Germany he manages to notch a grand total of 7 goals after his move to Turkey. Maybe if he’d been a striker he’d have actually played at Koln. Oh and Seube ends his career Greek. Because why not.
As per every time, a quick look around the world’s results is needed. Spain win back the World Cup titles, whilst Italy take a Euro win. Argentina, Mexico and Australia claim all their continents international trophies in the window, so no massive surprises there. The domestic world isn’t exactly littered with shocks either. Brescia win a Coppa Italia, and Nîmes Olympique grab 4 top 5 finishes in a row in France, but there’s not really much to shout about. I think it’s best to just get on with the next de-ageing.
Loyal Players Remaining: 8
Abreu Club Count: 29 clubs in 10 countries
Odd Winners: Brescia (Coppa Italia)

2040-45

Down to 8 now, so it’s getting tougher. And a lot slower, so slow in fact that not a single transfer in our group happens in five years. For a moment I was excited to see Manceau at Recreativo de Huelva, but that was just a loan. So I was back to being crushed. On the plus side, Abreu makes some huge steps. He adds not just 1, but 2 new countries to his history! The first is Portugal, in a huge step up to join Braga. As usual, it’s just until his contract ends, before he moves on to Frankfurt in the Bundesliga. He’s hardly setting Europe alight but I don’t care, he’s actually moving!
There’s only one retiree to talk about too, as pretty much everyone has already gone. Geoffrey Jourdren finishes up with 925 total league appearances. It probably could have been a bit more, if he’d not spent 10 years of his career being a backup at PSG and Bayern. On a far more interesting note, Terry breaks through 1500 career league appearances. Kane also hits 256 international goals, which results in the number resetting to 0 just like caps. So the game has him on 96 caps with 11 goals, when the actual numbers are a stunning 352 caps with 267 goals.
Having seen my disappointment last time around, the world decides to liven things up. Denmark become both Champions of the World and Champions of Europe in 2042 and 2040, although they lose the European title to Germany 4 years later. At the continental level, the Champions League stays on track, but the Europa League brings some bizarre winners into the mix. Nîmes Olympique, Real Sociedad, Leicester and Bristol City all win a trophy. It seems Mark Noble finally made a right move transferring to Bristol City, as the club is now a strong top 6 Premier League side. Manceau wins a Coupe de France at Angers, but it’s still Nîmes making waves, forming a big three with PSG and Monaco. It may not be long before either Nîmes or Bristol City win their league, which is not something I expected to be saying.
Loyal Players Remaining: 8
Abreu Club Count: 31 clubs in 12 countries
Odd Winners: Nîmes Olympique/Bristol City (Europa League), Angers (Coupe de France)

2045-50

2045 kicks off and once again Manceau deceives me. This time it’s a loan spell in Denmark with Brøndby that had me thinking he was gone. Well you know what they say, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice… I’m probably gonna fall for it. It looks like there’s going to be no moves whatsoever once again, until June 2047 arrives and I notice a contract is set to expire. Imagine my shock when Lionel Messi is not offered a contract by Barcelona and is let go. It’s made doubly worse by the fact that of all teams to pick him up, it's Atletico Madrid. Apparently, 37 Ballon d’Or awards aren’t good enough for Barcelona anymore. I don’t even care that nothing else happens. That’s enough to stun me.
Over in the retirement home, Mark Noble moves into a room. After an up and down career, the Englishman did manage some silverware with Bristol City and ended his career with 1317 league appearances. He even earned not just 1, but 90 England caps across his 44-year career.
Around the world, interesting results are still cropping up. England grab their third World Cup win beating Colombia, whilst Honduras win their first-ever Gold Cup. Much to my bitter disappointment, Arsenal win 4 of the 5 Champions Leagues on offer, as well as 3 Premier League titles. Chelsea have a period of bottom 10 finishes which deeply upsets Terry, whilst over in France, Chamois Niortais begin to try and join the top 3. Don’t worry I’ve never heard of them either.
Loyal Players Remaining: 7
Abreu Club Count: 32 clubs in 12 countries
Odd Winners: Honduras (Gold Cup)

2050-55

With the world still reeling at the fact the Messi has moved from Barcelona, everyone kinda forgets to make any moves. In fact, Messi is the first person to move yet again, leaving Atletico in a very cheap 34.5M move to Man City. Which is more in line with where I originally expected him to go. Abreu finishes one contract, at Hapoel Be’er Sheva, and moves onto the next, but it’s with Monterrey so doesn’t count. Sebastian, it has to be new clubs. John Terry is starting to get frustrated with a Chelsea team that has really fallen from grace. The Londoners barely survive relegation in 2052/53, so Terry may be the next to go. Or maybe I know nothing and it’s completely random.
No-one retires this year, so let’s take a brief look at some statistics of our remaining 7 + Messi. All our players have now reached 1000 appearances, with Bargfrede in last at 1173. Messi has crossed 1000 league goals, now a full 300 clear of the chasing pack of Abreu and Kane. On the international level, Thomas Müller becomes the first player to need a rollover of caps twice, moving on to a massive 524 international caps. But it’s Kane who still leads the international goal stat, nearly breaking 350, a full 50 ahead of the German.
Müller does, however, grab a World Cup win for Germany so I’m sure he won’t be too upset. At least until they’re deposed by Holland 4 years later. On the continental level, Bristol City win another Europa League title beating previous champions Espanyol. Middlesbrough also nearly earn a trophy, having joined Bristol as a top 6 team. But the winner of the biggest shock, although I did say this might happen, goes to Chamois Niortais, who topple the dominance of PSG and Monaco to capture a miraculous Ligue 1 title in the last season of the period.
Loyal Players Remaining: 7
Abreu Club Count: 32 clubs in 12 countries
Odd Winners: Chamois Niortais (Ligue 1), Bristol City/Espanyol (Europa League)

2055-60

The summer window of 2055 opens and as I warned may happen, there’s an almost immediate transfer. Fed up with Chelsea’s mediocre finishes, John Terry decides to move on. Unfortunately for Chelsea fans, Arsenal is his next club, which I’m sure will cause a few shudders. A year later and another move comes around, once again due to unhappiness over the club’s performance. Surprisingly it's Thomas Müller,who's annoyed by the fact that Bayern haven’t won a Bundesliga title since 2048, and so runs down his contract. Leverkusen almost earn his signature, but eventually its the glory of PSG that proves too much to resist. But we’re not done there! Another player runs down their contract, opting to move to Vitoria de Setubal in Portugal. Vincent Manceau finally makes a real move rather than constantly faking me out. So with another 3 players down, we’re left with our final 4. The race for the top 3 is hotting up now!
We do have a retirement this time thanks to the transfer window livening up. The world's best-ever player, Lionel Messi, retires from football. He ends up on a total of 1858 league appearances, scoring a massive 1068 goals in this time. 1430 appearances and 895 goals of those belonging to his 45-year career at Barcelona. On the international scene, he earned an impressive 505 caps and 276 goals. But it’s the awards where he shines. 279 individual awards, 82 team titles, 22 league titles, 6 Champions League titles, 45 Ballon d’Or awards. What makes it even crazier is 41 of those Ballon d’Or awards were in a row, as he earned every single one from 2015 to 2056. I don’t think I’ll see another player like that crop up in any save, truly the world’s best player.
Looking out on the world, I can say that it’s a Chamois Niortais player that breaks Messi’s streak, as the French team claim another two Ligue 1 titles. It’s hard to say they’re a “surprise winner” at this point. Bristol City finally make the full step up to join the big guns, winning 3 Carabao Cups, 1 FA Cup, 2 Premier League titles and even a Champions League trophy. If any Bristol City fans want this save to give themselves hope over the future, I can send it over. Internationally it's the era of Portugal, as they claim both the Euro and World Cup trophies.
Loyal Players Remaining: 4
Abreu Club Count: 32 clubs in 12 countries
Odd Winners: Bristol City (Premier League/Champions League), Lyon (Relegation)

With so few players left, now is probably a good time to speed it up once again. The final four will be tough to budge, so how about we move to 10-year intervals to try and cut down on dead years. And I'll be moving to the comments, because I've hit reddits character limit.
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Daily Transfer News Thread - 07/28/2018

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21:55

THAT'S ALL FOLKS!

That's all we have time for in the Transfer Centre this evening, but we'll be right back here from 7am tomorrow with the latest transfer news, rumours and done deals.
See you then!
21:47

ZAHA WANTS MORE GOALS

Crystal Palace winger Wilfried Zaha put on a superb display in a friendly against Reading earlier today - scoring two and assisting another - and says he is targeting more goals this season despite transfer speculation around him intensifying.
“It was good and we are getting back into shape so hopefully we can start the new season how we ended the last one," he told the club's official website.
“This season I am trying to score a lot more goals and I am just happy that all the hard work I am putting in is showing on the pitch. I always try and stay ready so if there was a game tomorrow I would make sure I am ready.”
https://twitter.com/CPFC/status/1023281941477564416
21:32

McGILL GOES ON LOAN

Brighton youth goalkeeper Tom McGill has completed his season-long loan switch to Worthing.
21:14

WATCH: JOSE OUT?

Manchester United fans in the USA are unhappy with Jose Mourinho as manager...
Head here to follow Man Utd's game with Liverpool in the ICC.
20:55

PUEL WANTS DUO TO STAY

Claude Puel is confident that Harry Maguire and Kasper Schmeichel will still be at Leicester when the transfer window closes.
"I think we can keep both players. It is crucial for us," he told reporters after a 2-1 friendly loss to Udinese in Austria. "We cannot lose players just a few days before the beginning of the season. We would not be able to find a solution and we cannot be behind.
"Kasper and Maguire are so valuable for us. It is important to maintain our structure, our squad and all our valuable players for the team."
20:39

MITROVIC FEE LATEST

Sky sources understand that the fee Newcastle have agreed with Fulham is £22m, in a deal which could rise to £27m with potential add-ons.
Head here to read the full story.
20:33

NAPOLI DON'T WANT BALO

Napoli are not interested in bringing Mario Balotelli to the club, according to president Aurelio De Laurentiis.
"[Dries] Mertens will not leave, [Angel] Di Maria will not come and as for Balotelli I've been saying no for years. It's very false that he will come to Napoli," he told Radio Kiss Kiss.
20:13

CHADLI TO TURKEY?

West Brom midfielder Nacer Chadli could be moving Turkish side Besiktas on loan, according to Turkish-Football.com.
Chadli missed the majority of last season for the Baggies through injury, but impressed for Belgium at the World Cup.
19:58

ROWETT WANTS QUICK BUSINESS

Gary Rowett hopes to speed up transfer business to get more players in before Stoke begin their Sky Bet Championship campaign next weekend.
“We hope to [bring in players this week],” he told the Stoke Sentinel. “It’s ongoing and of course we want to do things as quickly as we can. That’s not always possible for different reasons.
“I know the importance of getting your group together quickly and I’ve said that right from day one. You want the group together as quickly as you possibly can and unfortunately we haven’t quite been able to do that."
19:42

CLOUGH TARGETS LOANS

Nigel Clough hopes to bolster his squad with a loan signing before Burton start the Sky Bet League One season.
Speaking after their last pre-season game against Cardiff, he told the club's official website: “Hopefully we can get a loan player or two in over the next seven days before the season starts – we are going to try very hard.”
19:24

WALTERS TO LEAGUE ONE

Not confirmed where yet though! Keep those eyes peeled...
https://twitter.com/tamworthfc/status/1023279071806017536
19:09

INCOMINGS AT CHARLTON?

Charlton Athletic caretaker manager Lee Bowyer says more players will be coming in rather than leaving the club although Josh Magennis is set to leave The Valley.
“We might lose one more, probably not anyone that anyone is thinking but I think we’ll be bringing in a lot more than we’ll be losing," he told the club's official website.
“We have to bring a 'keeper in to have competition for Dill [Dillon Phillips]. You have to have healthy competition in every position and goalkeeping is no different.
"We need a centre-half, a right-sided centre half, we’ve only got Pat (Bauer) in the building. Maybe another midfielder and maybe another striker.
"We knew that Bolton were interested in Josh [Magennis] in January, so I thought they would come back in. I’m pleased for him because he’s a good pro and he gives everything. If it has gone through I wish him all the best and thank him for the services he’s given us.”
18:52

WATCH: LAMPARD WANTS VYDRA CLARITY

Derby are "in limbo" over Matej Vydra with manager Frank Lampard determined to sort the striker's future before the start of the season.
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18:37

STAGS END CAMERON INTEREST

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18:17

WAGHORN ON THE MOVE?

Ipswich manager Paul Hurst said he left Martyn Waghorn on the bench for their friendly against West Ham in the best interests of all concerned. The striker didn’t feature for the second successive game amid speculation over his future.
“There is no getting away from the fact that there is a lot of talk about Waggy,” he told iFollow Ipswich. “I just think it was the best decision for everyone concerned that he didn’t play today.
“We will see what the next week or so brings. Will he be here for the Blackburn game next week? Honestly I’m not sure.”
18:02

NEWCASTLE ACCEPT MITROVIC BID

Sky sources understand Newcastle have accepted a bid from Fulham for striker Aleksandar Mitrovic.
The Serb has left their Portuguese training camp to finalise his move to Craven Cottage. We understand the fee to be in the region of £20m.
17:54

LEEDS AGREE BAMFORD FEE

Sky sources understand Leeds United have agreed a fee with Middlesbrough for striker Patrick Bamford.
We understand that to be £7m rising to £10m with add-ons. Leeds also today completed the signing of Wolves left-back Barry Douglas.
17:41

RICHARLISON SCORES

Richarlison has started for Everton in their pre-season friendly against Rennes and has scored his first goal! Reaping back that £40m fee already...
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/1023256377035313152
17:22

'WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE PLAYERS'

Aston Villa manager Steve Bruce says his main target for the remainder of the transfer window is to keep his best players, with speculation surrounding the futures of Jack Grealish, James Chester and Jonathan Kodjia.
He told the club's official website: “We don’t want to lose our best players. We all know in football that unfortunately these things happen.
"But we will now be doing our utmost to make sure these things do not happen and not let them go anywhere."
17:10

SCHURRLE MAKES DEBUT

Andre Schurrle is currently making his Fulham debut as they take on Fiorentina in a pre-season friendly tournament, and he looks to be doing well...
https://twitter.com/FulhamFC/status/1023252753244717058
17:00

LEEDS CONFIRM DOUGLAS

Leeds United have confirmed the signing of Barry Douglas from Wolves, joining the club for an undisclosed fee and has signed a three year contract.
Douglas joined Wolves last summer and made 42 appearances in all competitions, providing 14 assists in the Sky Bet Championship - no other player in the league provided more.
He also netted five goals during the campaign, including a spectacular free-kick against the Whites in Wolves’ 4-1 victory at Molineux last November.
Douglas becomes Leeds United’s first permanent transfer of the summer, following the loan arrivals of Jamal Blackman and Lewis Baker and will wear the number three shirt.
16:30

GUENDOUZI IMPRESSING

It is only pre-season, but France U20 international Matteo Guendouzi caught the eye with his performance for Arsenal today against PSG.
Arsenal signed midfielder Guendouzi from French Ligue 2 side Lorient and he has impressed in the holding role.
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16:17

WARNOCK LEAVES.....MATCH EARLY

Cardiff City assistant manager Kevin Blackwell took on the club’s post-match media duties as Neil Warnock had to leave the win over Burton Albion early to meet a transfer target.
However, Blackwell wouldn’t reveal the player Warnock is chasing.
"I’m talking to you because Neil has had to catch a flight to see a player," said Blackwell.
"We’re still looking at possible signings but in terms of preparation, the lads showed how much fitter they were second half and that’s what we’ve been looking at.
"I can’t tell you who he’s gone to talk to as I think there will be other clubs looking at him as well.”
16:04

LEEDS GO FOR BAMFORD

Leeds United are in talks to sign Middlesbrough striker Patrick Bamford, according to Sky sources.
It is understood that the fee being discussed by the clubs is £7m.
The 24-year-old joined Boro from Chelsea on a permanent deal in January 2017 after having previously enjoyed a successful loan spell at the club during the 2014-15 season.
15:36

KLASSEN'S GOODBYE

Davy Klassen has bid farewell to Everton after joining Werder Bremen yesterday...
https://twitter.com/DavyKlaassen/status/1023217272477966336
15:01

MORE IN FOR MILLWALL?

Boss Neil Harris, speaking after a 1-0 pre-season win over Bochum, says the club are working "tirelessly" on new recruits.
https://twitter.com/MillwallFC/status/1023212349782720512
14:50

OSORIO STEPS DOWN

Mexico head coach Juan Carlos Osorio has stepped down from his role after three years in charge.
The 56-year-old led the country to the last 16 of the World Cup in Russia where they were knocked out after losing 2-0 to Brazil.
The Colombian won 33 of his 52 games in charge of Mexico but has rejected offers from the Mexican Football Federation (FMF) to extend his contract.
14:08

BRADFORD SIGN WILSON

Bradford have signed former Cardiff goalkeeper Ben Wilson, subject to EFL and FA clearance.
The 25-year-old, who started his career at Sunderland, moves to Valley Parade after a four-year spell in south Wales, which featured four loan deals, came to an end.
“I was absolutely delighted when I got the call from such a big club like Bradford,” Wilson said.
“I cannot wait to get started and am really looking forward to the season ahead.”
13:54

TOWNSEND JOINS BAGGIES

West Brom have signed Scunthorpe full-back Conor Townsend for an undisclosed fee.
The 25-year-old, who has also been linked with his former club Hull and Ipswich this summer, has signed a three-year contract at the Hawthorns.
He told WBA TV: “As soon as I knew the club was interested in me it was always the place I wanted to go.”
Townsend follows goalkeepers Sam Johnstone and Jonathan Bond, centre-back Kyle Bartley and midfielder Harvey Barnes as new arrivals at West Brom this summer.
13:39

MUNIR HAS BARCA FUTURE

Barcelona have informed Munir El Haddadi that he will form part of their first-team squad this season, reports Mundo Deportivo.
Munir, who spent the past two seasons on loan at Valencia and Alaves respectively, was informed by Barca’s sporting director Eric Abidal that he will have playing opportunities as part of Ernesto Valverde’s squad in 2018/19.
In addition, Barca are considering extending his contract, which expires next June, by a further five years.
13:19

THEO NEARING REAL EXIT

Theo Hernandez is on the verge of leaving Real Madrid to join Real Sociedad on loan, reports AS.
Real Madrid will travel to the USA today (Saturday) for the start of their pre-season tour and there is a strong possibility that Theo will not be joining them.
The 20–year-old is closing in on a loan move to Real Sociedad, who will pay part of the young defender’s salary.
The loan deal, which does not include a purchase option, is expected to be made official soon.
12:50

BROWN SEEKS FORTUNE REUNION

Swindon manager Phil Brown is keen to tie up a deal for striker Marc-Antoine Fortune.
The former West Brom and Celtic frontman, who played under Brown at Southend, has been training with Town and played as a trialist in Friday night’s 4-1 friendly win at Swindon Supermarine, where he won a penalty.
Asked whether he would like to make Fortune’s signing permanent, Brown told the club website: “I would. The chairman isn’t here but he’s well impressed with the pedigree of the player, but we just wanted to have a look at the fitness levels.
“He hasn’t been working with anybody, he was promised a deal at Southend that didn’t happen so he’s an angry man at the moment.
“He is such a professional. He conducts himself impeccably off the field and a lot of the young lads can learn from him, whether he is playing or not. He did fantastic for me at Southend and I would like to get him on board.”
12:27

‘WHAT WE’VE BEEN LOOKING FOR’

Fresh from completing the signing of Jack Baldwin, Sunderland manager Jack Ross told the club’s official website said: “Everybody knew we were looking to strengthen again in this area of the pitch and now we’re comfortable with where we’re at in terms of central defensive options.
“Jack is proven in this league and he’s at a good age with his best years ahead of him, and he has a hunger to improve and do well.
“He sees this as a big opportunity and has the core attributes we have been looking for.”
12:06

BREAKING NEWS

Sunderland sign Peterborough captain Jack Baldwin on two-year deal, the Sky Bet League One club have announced.
https://twitter.com/SunderlandAFC/status/1023176122597613568
12:05

VRSALJKO FIRST IN AT INTER

Inter Milan are closing in on the signing of Sime Vrsaljko from Atletico Madrid, reports Gazzetta dello Sport.
The 26-year-old full-back, who impressed during Croatia’s run to this summer’s World Cup final, will initially move to the San Siro on loan with a permanent deal set for next summer.
Once the Vrsaljko deal it tied up, Inter will turn their attention to signing either Bayern Munich’s Arturo Vidal or Tiemoue Bakayoko from Chelsea.
11:36

PJANIC DISMISSES JUVE EXIT TALK

Juventus midfielder Miralem Pjanic insists the speculation over his future this summer is untrue.
Pjanic has reportedly been the subject of strong interest from Manchester City and Barcelona, while other reports have suggested that Juve will cash in on him following the big-money arrival of Cristiano Ronaldo from Real Madrid.
But the Bosnia international has dismissed most conjecture as false and says he is happy in Turin.
“I listen to a lot of things that are not true,” he told ESPN. “I'm cool. I'm preparing my new season. That's what's the most important.
“What I did the last two seasons for Juventus was really great, and I am happy what I'm doing here.
“I am cool – and I don't care about what they are writing because I listen and I read a lot of things, and a lot of things are not true."
11:07

MOURA SETTLED AT SPURS

Lucas Moura says he has fully settled into life as a Tottenham player and is raring to go for the new season.
10:55

PSG PULL PLUG ON BOATENG

Paris Saint-Germain have dropped their interest in Bayern Munich defender Jerome Boateng, reports Inside Futbol.
The Germany international’s wage demands, coupled with a potential transfer fee of between £45m and £53m, is understood to have deterred the Ligue 1 champions.
10:43

WOLVES WANT PEPE IN PL

Wolves are weighing up a move for former Real Madrid defender Pepe, reports Fanatik.
The newly-promoted Premier League side would be willing to offer Besiktas a fee of nearly €7m to land the Portugal international.
10:30

MORNING WHISPERS

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10:13

BORTHWICK-JACKSON LOANED TO SCUNTHORPE

Manchester United defender Cameron Borthwick-Jackson has joined Scunthorpe on a season-long loan.
The 21-year-old made 14 appearances for United in the 2015/16 season but has not played for the first team during Jose Mourinho’s Old Trafford reign, and has had loan spells with Wolves and Leeds.
Borthwick-Jackson now takes a step down into League One but said of his new challenge: “I’m buzzing to be here and can’t wait to get started.”
09:51

BELLERIN HITS BACK

Hector Bellerin has hit back at those who have questioned his commitment to Arsenal, insisting he does not want to play for anyone else.
Bellerin has been with Arsenal since he was 16 but that longevity has not stopped talk of a transfer, with Barcelona and Manchester City linked with the right-back in recent seasons.
Speaking to Sky Sports News, the 23-year-old has moved to put an end to the speculation surrounding his future.
"It is crazy that people ask me these questions all the time," he said. “A few years ago I signed a very long-term contract.
“I have never said that I have wanted to be anywhere else. I am very happy in London. I am very happy at this club.
"The club have made me who I am and gave me the chance to be the footballer I am today. So I don’t want to be anywhere else."
09:28

MINA TO MANCHESTER?

Manchester United could turn their attentions to Colombia international Yerry Mina if they fail to bring either Harry Maguire or Toby Alderweireld to Old Trafford, reports the Daily Mirror.
Like Maguire, Mina impressed at this summer’s World Cup, scoring twice, including a dramatic stoppage-time equaliser against England in the last-16.
Mina is expected to leave Barcelona this week despite only joining the La Liga champions in January.
Everton and Lyon have been touted as a possible destinations for the 23–year-old, but the Mirror claim United could rival them for Mina’s signature.
09:05

PALACE INTENSIFY INGS EFFORTS

Crystal Palace have stepped up their efforts to sign Liverpool striker Danny Ings, according to the Guardian.
Eagles boss Roy Hodgson is keen to bolster his attack with the acquisition of the forward, who has reluctantly decided to leave Anfield after an injury-plagued spell at the club.
If Ings is to relaunch his career at Selhurst Park, Palace will have to meet Liverpool’s £26m valuation for the 26-year-old, who they signed from Burnley in 2015.
08:55

LEEDS IN BAMFORD TALKS

Leeds United are in talks to sign Middlesbrough striker Patrick Bamford, according to Sky sources.
08:41

POCH REFUSES TO PANIC

Tottenham manager Mauricio Pochettino is in relaxed mood ahead of the new season but admits the early closure of the Premier League transfer window is 'not going to help’. With just 12 days to go until Deadline Day, Spurs are one of two Premier League clubs yet to make a signing.
08:18

BESIKTAS MAKE MIGNOLET CONTACT

Besiktas have made contact with Liverpool over a deal for Simon Mignolet, Sky Sports News understands.
The Turkish club need to sign a new goalkeeper after selling Fabri to Fulham for close to £5m last week.
Mignolet is potentially available after the Reds signed Alisson in a world-record £67m deal for a goalkeeper.
The 30-year-old Belgium international has played 202 times for Liverpool since joining from Sunderland in June 2013 but has had to battle Loris Karius for a starting place since he joined from Mainz in 2016.
07:57

'ARSENAL NEED LEADER RAMSEY'

Arsenal cannot afford to lose the leadership qualities of Aaron Ramsey, according to team-mate Alexandre Lacazette.
Ramsey has entered the final 12 months of his current deal and admitted earlier this week he is uncertain about his Arsenal future, with his agent locked in negotiations over a new deal.
Head coach Unai Emery has made it clear he wants Ramsey to stay and, speaking at the launch of Arsenal's third kit in Singapore, Lacazette told Sky Sports News: "Aaron has been there for about 10 years, he is like a legend at the club.
"We have to be respectful for everything he has done and of course with his quality he can help the team to be better. He brings stability, quality and leadership.
"He is an example for all the young players too, so of course we need Aaron in the team."
07:36

MADRID RULE OUT HAZARD MOVE

Real Madrid will not sign Eden Hazard this summer as new coach Julen Lopetegui wants to make Isco a key part of his project at the Bernabeu, reports AS.
Madrid have been linked heavily with the Chelsea forward since the departure of Cristiano Ronaldo to Juventus earlier this month.
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Madrid are admirers of Hazard but are not going to sign him and are aware that he would cost around €200m this summer.
They are also keen to avoid blocking the first-team path for Marco Asensio, and have dismissed the prospect of making a ‘Galactico’ signing this summer.
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Manchester United are prepared to jettison Matteo Darmian and Marcos Rojo in a bid to raise funds for a move for Leicester defender Harry Maguire, the Daily Mirror reports.
United are keen to bring the England international to Old Trafford after impressing at this summer’s World Cup.
With reports claiming United will have a pay a world-record fee for a defender to get their man, the Mirror claim United are preparing to offload Italy international Darmian and Argentina international Rojo to facilitate Maguire’s transfer.
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The Colombia international is in the middle of a two-year loan at Bayern Munich, but he still harbours ambitions of succeeding at his parent club.
Madrid want him back and new boss Julen Lopetegui has informed the playmaker that he wants him at his disposal in the Spanish capital.
However James, who recovered his best form at Bayern in 2017/18, believes it would be a bad move to abandon the Bundesliga club now.
Bayern have him on loan until next summer and have previously been tipped to activate a €42m purchase clause to secure his services on a permanent basis.
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An agreement has been formalised and the player has had a medical and agreed personal terms.
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For the Day of the Baphomets solo, how much creative control did you have when recording it? It was my first take so I guess a lot. Omar only asked me to fix one part but that was it. It is 98% first take.
What are your favorite songs to play live, and what would be your ideal set-list of songs to play? I love Cygnus. I could just play that and Roulette.
Who are your biggest musical influences? Hendrix...hip hop...80's new wave.
How is your health? Is everything ok? I get monitored every 3 months for my blood counts. Been good so far. Anyone w cancer knows you never know when things are gonna turn but I thank all Gods that I have been healthy so far.
I've seen activity on your twitter between Kimbra, St. Vincent, and Deantoni Parks about a possible record. Any news beyond the chatter? Speaking of Kimbra, she has admitted in interviews that she is a fan of The Mars Volta. Assuming you've met during festival and touring, how is she and what do you admire about her music? Since Flea played on the first Volta record, could you enlighten me to how his style is different than the bass parts in the latter Volta records that you play on. And is it a challenge in anyway to cover his parts live or do you add your own spin to things? I would love to record with that lineup. 3 are on board. Bomb St Vincent twitter and let's see if she will agree. I think D is recording with her and David Byrne. Maybe that will start it.
Kimbra is the coolest. She is going for it, musically. I bet a lot of industry execs want her to go more pop but she is legit. She wants to stretch stuff. She is a true artist.
Omar wrote those basslines so it was more, getting used to playing what Omar intended, as opposed to what Flea played. I learned Mother's Milk when I was younger. Flea destroyed it on that record.
Do you ever trip on fools? I trip on fools that act a fool. Just be cool.
I've heard TMV A-Team is #1, care to comment? TMV A-Team consists of Matty Bitt on the panels, BobbyBadSeed on the logistics, Deezel on the kit, Chase $ running shit, Chino Weeeno on the keys, Juaneezy on the bass, O and C. A Team can never be faded. We barely rehearse and rock it as if it were our last day on earth.
Do you remember that one time Snoop Dogg smoked so much in our hotel that the fire department had to come and evacuate everyone? I saw Snoop Lion's instagram that morning and they were all smoking...Daz, Snoop, Kurupt, Soupafly. I said to myself, "their room looks like my room...they must be here"... a couple of hours later the fire alarm goes off, here come fire trucks and I am outside telling people it had to me the blunt smoke... and it was.
Hey Juan, over the past couple years what has Deantoni Parks taught you while playing alongside him? Whether it be about music, spirituality, or overall friendship? D is one of the most dedicated musicians I have been around. For example, I asked him for some music for our Vato Negro record we were doing and he handed me a drive and said "take all the songs off this drive." I thought there would be 30-40 songs but, I kid you not, there were over 300 songs on there. Mostly complete arranged songs. He makes anyone feel like a half stepper. He is one of my closest homies. He has my back. We are in this together and we will always remain friends.
Is the Mars Volta doing a US tour for Noctorniquet later this year? If so, come by Florida. We love you here. I have not heard of any TMV touring for the rest of this year. Hopefully next year.
If you were to pic k one song from each of the projects you've been involved with which would they be and why? Too many songs to pick from.
Is there any tips you can give to an aspiring bassist to learn better techniques? I would get a Macbook and start with Garage Band and write songs in there. It will inspire you and it will sound pretty tight!
Whats going on with Racer X? Paul has Mr Big, Scott is touring with Judas Priest and I am in The Mars Volta.
What's the recording process like with TMV? Do you get parts, do you guys improvise on a groove that Omar and Cedric think of? Omar writes a record, gives it to Cedric and then they agree on the songs and then we all get to record on it. Some. I think the on fire approach they had in the early 70's is what inspired TMV.
Thanks for pedalsandeffects.com! It's really helpful for a lot of us out there experimenting. I loved Lakland when Dan owned it. There were a bunch of dudes working in an industrial complex and they were all dedicated to making great basses. A true punk rock company. When Dan left, I felt I should to.
Why did you switch to Lakland basses and then back to Fender? Also, what makes vintage basses better than new basses? Plus...I always ended up playing my Fender fretless. I think, over the years, basses woods start to age and sound better. New woods don't have that density and you cant find that wood any longer. All the new basses are from trees that have not been on this earth very long and you can hear it.
How has the internet changed the music industry? Do you have an opinion on music piracy? Have sites like Bandcamp helped artists? I dig bandcamp. I also dig soundcloud. I like that I can throw something up minutes after I finish it and let people hear it.
off, thank you for doing this. I am a huge fan of yours and so this is exciting. Flat wound strings and the tone rolled off!
Are you a Zechs Marquise fan?? I saw them open for you playing in Omar Rodriguez Lopez Group last year at Grog Shop in Cleveland. I have been in love with those dudes ever since. Yes!!! They are so damn funky! They definitely can take you to a place no other band can. It is that sense of fun and family that you get when you watch them. We, as the audience, get to join their band for a night kind of thing.
I've been told Thomas Pridgen left the band, because he has a habbit of tagging over gang tags and gang members started threatening band members and their family. Is this true? Thomas was let go by the band. He was a graffiti guy but that had nothing to do with it.
How did the falling out with John Theodore happen? Do you still keep in touch with him? I love Jon and I do keep in touch with him. Jon was unhappy and when someone is unhappy, someone has to pull the trigger and its Omar's band so he did just that.
Which one of your Fender Jazz basses is your favorite? My 1964 Jazz.
Why did you switch from those two Ampeg 8x10's? Weight issue.
How did you guys record Cassandra Geminni? The first and last part was recorded at a studio in LA...the jam in the middle was recorded live in Australia and probably cut up and manipulated by O.
What is Paul Gilbert like in person? Paul is great and generous.
Will Big Sir ever come to Ohio? Fly us there, put us up and meet our guarantee! haha...
Hey Juan, can you tell us what happened with Ikey? How come he wasn't part of Noctourniquet? He wasnt on the last two records because they were records that didnt have organ. Omar has a vision and he follows it.
Will he be back again? You never know. He is playing w Jack White at the moment.
What gave you the inspiration for Pedals and Effects? What was your first pedal? What got you into music? I would say all the questions I get asked from fans and the fact that youTube has mostly lame videos of pedals, done by guitarists. I think pedals deserve a better representation so I started my site. It will only get better as I learn how to maintain a site.
My first pedal was a chorus by TC Electronics.
My father got me into music. He loved jazz and blasted it every weekend.
Hey, big fan. Was the beginning of the band weird with learning how to fit in to Omar's style of a band? Have you ever wanted to quit the band as a result of his authority? Just curious, seems like an interesting band on the inside. Never wanted to quit. I always knew what I signed up for.
Who writes the lyrics in most songs? I'm a big fan, thanks for doing this. Cedric does. I believe Jeremy wrote some when he was alive too.
I'm trying to build a very minimal pedal setup yet still pack a punch - what are some essential and versatile pedals that you suggest would be best for this kind of setup? Get a good fuzz, phaser and octave pedal. Those always make it into the PA and you can combine those for a lot of great sounds.
If you can answer it, what really happened with Jon Theodore? In my opinion the band just had a different vibe about it when he was drumming, something perfect that has not been there since he left. He was frustrated and unhappy. They had to let him go because he wasnt into it as much as they wanted him to be.
Every era is great and its is different. I am not a fan of making the same record and I think the change offered great results.
Do you like At the Drive In's music? To be honest, I am not that familiar with their catalog. I know the hit song. I like that they sound like Fugazi, who I love.
At the Drive-In and Fugazi are my two favorite bands. How on earth are you not familiar with atdi's catalog? I am older than these dudes. I listened to Fugazi. My old band, Distortion Felix, opened up for ATDI but I only saw a couple of songs. That is my experience w their old band. Sorry...
I've always been facisinated with the concept of TMV's live improvisation. I was wondering how does the structure of the band's live improv work? Is it just like in jazz where each musician takes a chorus or two? When we would jam, it would just take shape by someone's lead. If the drums took the lead, everyone follows. Sometimes it would be the bass or the guitar or the vocal.
Also, the question on everybody's minds - What the hell is the time signature in Cygnus? What part of Cygnus? The end part is in 5/4.
So who/what are you listening to lately? I love St Vincent. I also love Nippsy Hustle. The Horrors record was worn out. YG got some stuff. James Blake.
Do you strive to stay sober while performing? Back in 07' before a show I offered you a hit of my joint which you declined, but Marcel saw that and took your place gladly. I get my drink on. Weed spooks me. I am good with champagne. Fans in Europe bring me bottles!
What's the future looking like for Big Sir? Anything you've learned from collaborating with Lisa? Big Sir has two shows coming up. One this month at the Bootleg Theater and one next month at the Echoplex.
Lisa and I were meant to do music together. Wish we had met in the 80's. We would have sounded like Sparks meets Joy Division.
Thomas Pridgen once said in an interview that he thought he was recording for a new TMV album when in reality it was for Omar's album Xenophanes. How often had it happened to you that you were recording with Omar, not aware where you part would actually be used? You just record with Omar. Who cares where it ends up? It is all great.
Sup Juan, I was just curious if you got to play with Zach Hill while recording Cryptomnesia. If so how is playing with him? He is a superb drummer in my eyes. He is the shit. Another true artist. Doesnt give a fuck about money when he sits behind the kit. He just wants it to be great. And of course I got to play with him. We were all in a room, jamming...Omar was behind the panels a lot but it was Zach, me and Jonathan. We would jam out Omar's parts and getting them tight. It was a blast. Zach and I would go off in between takes.
I know you haven't been with TMV from the very beginning (and I'm really sorry if I'm beating a dead horse by asking this), but do you think that drug usage has affected your bandmates' musical style/writing? Would it all have come out the same without drugs involved? What was it like working with a crazy shredder like Paul Gilbert? Good bass playing and a solid rhythm section are the backbone of any band. Has your approach to playing with TMV changed with each subsequent drummer? With TMV, it seems like such a wide array of musicians playing at the same time would end in disaster, especially in a setting where you guys jam in concert. Just as a rough estimate, could you give me a ratio of how just much of The Mars Volta's show is improvised v.s. planned beforehand? (Is it 50% improv, 50% planned? 30% improv, 70% planned? etc.) Again, with such a large group, it seems like the sound engineer would have his hands full. Where/when was your worst experience with a live audio technician? How the hell did you come up with the Blutraush (Smooth Interlude) bassline? Do you just fiddle around with some notes until you've got something that sounds really good, or do you use your musical training? (no disrespect, it just boggles my mind how you consistently manage to come up with what seem, to me, like really unorthodox, oddly-constructed basslines) Just how much of The Mars Volta's songwriting process is controlled by Omar? I know he has written most-to-everything in the band's repertoire, but are the rest of the band basically session musicians or are you given at least "some" room for creativity in the songwriting/recording process? Paul is the best teacher when you are in a band with him. He helped me become a better musician...and a faster one!
You've played jazz, speed metal, prog, hard rock, psychadelic, fusion, and a multitude of other genres. What would you say is your favorite style of music to play? And if it's different, do you have a favorite style of music to listen to? It changes, for sure. Jon and I had a lot of soul. D just confounds me with his talents. I played fast w Thomas. Dave made me hit harder because he hits so damn hard.
Have you considered a podcast to accompany your awesome new website? I will do podcasts in the future!
What advice (from an artists perspective) would you give a young person attempting to start their own independent label/media company. Stay true to your vision and work with people you like as human beings.
What program did Big Sir use to produce Before Gardens After Gardens (my favorite album of the year so far)? What was your production process in general? Logic. I would write music and send it to Lisa and then we decided whether to cut it in a band situation or keep it electronic.
Does pedalsandeffects.com need any help with writing, production, management, or moderation? If so, where could one send in a resumé for consideration? Sure could. I need help editing my videos!
I can't stress enough how much I look up to you. Young Chicanos need more role models like you. Lots of love and respect from North East Los Angeles. North East? I live in HP!
Is it true Ikey was fired because of his habits? Hell no. He had some conflicts in his scheduling and then it all just naturally evolved into what it is today. Ikey is awesome. I miss dinners with him.
Also, I know you're probably not in charge of it but is there any specific reason that of all the old songs TMV have only played The Widow and Goliath on the latest tour? Nothing against them but there are lots of other great songs in TMV's vast catalogue. Rep that new record!
What have been some of the biggest challenges in setting up and now maintaining your pedals and effects website? Tel Aviv...going to places for the first time. Berlin show was awesome. The ORLG show in Barcelona was the best ORLG show I have ever been a part of.
Who is your favorite band to perform with? TMV.
What is your all time favorite piece of gear? My fretless.
Who's your biggest influence as a bassist? Jaco.
A followup, mainly because he's my drum teacher. How did you like Blake Fleming as the drummer for TMV? I love playing with Deantoni because he lights the stage on fire. He has so many ideas and I could just watch him forever. I did lock with Jon very well because we came up on the same music. It was pretty easy to jam w Jon...still is.
Blake was in his prime in Laddio Bolocko and Dazzling Killmen. Look up those youtubes. (I butchered the spelling of those names.)
I have so many questions but I'll try not to be too selfish... Are you working on new Vato Negro (or did it kinda just morph into ORLG)? How about Big Sir? Yes, I am working on a new Vato Negro record. Not sure what will happen to the D, Omar, Juan collaboration.
Big fan Juan, I've seen you perform six times I think, always top notch! Cool videos on Pedals and Effects too. Lisa and I have something up our sleeves that will shock some people.
Is your working relationship any different playing over Deantoni instead of Pridgen on record? theyre both incredible drummers but with very different styles so I was just wondering if - as a bassist - it makes that much of a difference? D is so damn fun... He has endless ideas and always outdoes his previous performance. He is the greatest.
Also, did you ever see yourself in a position where you would create a sustainable lifestyle through art, or were you always apprehensive about relying on music for regular income? Both. I knew I could do it but I have had my doubts and I have had other interests. Life is too short for one profession.
Which Mars Volta album are you most proud of, relative to your contribution to said album? FTM.
Relatedly, what kind of general direction would you be eager for the next Mars Volta record to go in? The more experimental, improvisational aspect of an album such as Frances the Mute, or the more controlled frenetic chaos of Bedlam or Nocturniquet? Been answered...
How surreal of an experience was it when you first played in giant venues like Madison Square Garden to thousands of people? I like smaller venues. Bigger venues and festivals are too much a shit storm.
Does your polycythemia ever affect your ability to play live/cause issues prior to concerts? It hasnt yet!
Which band is the best live band you've ever seen? Van Halen in 1979 and U2 on their first tour in the US. A lot has to do with how young I was.
Hi Juan. Miles here (from Bristol/London). Hope you're well. Been rocking some Vato Negro today. Any plans to tour Vato again? P.S. Will try and catch up with you in London again (assuming your doing the Omar tour in Oct)? If there is an offer, it will happen.
And no, I will not be with ORLG this time around.
The new website is a great idea! It's helped me learn a lot more about pedals (I've never really experimented with them until recently). Is there one pedal you could not live without? Boss CS-2.
One question fans are dying to know.... Did The Mars Volta really play their last show in London? No.
Hi Juan, your twitter friend and fellow bassist Matt here. What do you do to warm up before playing finger style? Your alacrity and dexterity is amazing. It is a skill I personally am always looking to improve upon :) Get your heart rate up. Run up stairs or do pushups.
How willingly do you talk about the Bedlam In Goliath album and all the problems making that album? I am willing.
I just know that the employees at Ocean Way remember our yelling session in the back of the studio. They had someone come tell us that we were bothering other artists recording there because of the yelling.
Hey Juan! Thanks for doing this. I'm a huge fan and follow your site. Was wondering if there are any plans for Big Sir to tour in the future? Mainly the east coast. I would love to. Lisa too. There just hasnt been an offer.
Juan you are an inspiration! Is there anything you can tell us about LP 7? I hope it comes soon!
Who is your favorite hip-hop artist/group of all time? PE #1.
Hey Juan, thanks for doing this AMA. For the Noctourniquet release, if you remember a few fans made a unofficial promo video to get the word out about the album, I was one of the guys who did some 3d graphics for that. What do/did you guys think about that sort of street level promotion for your band? Is it something you'd like to see more of in the future? I dig it and I think it is the future. Keep it up!
Do you prefer a bassline that goes "boo boo boo" or a bassline that goes "buu buu buu"? Player of 13 years looking for some direction, thanks! No...dooo dooo doo...
In the omar roderiquez lopez group do you guys play with Click tracks/in-ear metronomes? because some of those songs are just impossible to do without losing the tempo, same goes for Mars volta. Anyways, big fan hope to see you in The Netherlands soon? No. never.
Has anyone told you you look like Oscar from The Office? Some fan has. Don't all us Latinos look the same?
One of the reasons I first got into Can was because of Please Heat This Eventually. I bought the record and the turntable was on the wrong speed and it was wayyy slowed down and Damo Suzuki sounded like a monster. I was immediately intrigued and have been a huge Can fan ever since. How was working with Damo? Is he a strange person? What was his impact on the group? I only performed live with him. He is from another planet. I never knew what he was going to do. I was just hoping he was feeling it.
What is your favorite strand of herb? who smokes the most in the band? Not a big herb dude.
TMV has had multiple amazing drummers. What was it like to work with Jon, Blake, Thomas, and now Deantoni? Is there something that each drummer was able to do that the others couldn't? Jon was great for grooves that I was familiar with. He really plays a great Bonham as well as Afro beat stuff.
Deantoni plays beats from the future. No one matches his talents right now...no one. He is on fire.
Blakes days pre TMV are good. Hit him on youTube.
Thomas plays fast.
What do you do with bass that you think is unique to you? (i play my bass a style that i have yet to hear anyone else play and want to know if it is me or if everyone has "their thing") I think I like that it all comes from us with hip hop, soul music, funk music, dance music. Music I listen to the most comes from a great bass line.
I was just wondering, what is the one place in the world that made a huge impression on you? since you've toured a lot, i'm sure you've seen lots of interesting places, but there's got to be one place that sticks out as unique. I would say Mexico City. It was the most intense shows and I felt different there. Like I had been there before but I had not.
What was the most harrowing/discouraging part of your path to a fulfilling musical career and what drove you through it? Being broke and not knowing if I should continue. I started to play fretless for real and that got me through it. When you are stalled, take on a new approach to music. It will work out.
What 's your favourite Joy Division song? She's Lost Control.
What drugs do you do? Hydroxurea for my blood condition. 2 baby aspirin every day to keep my blood thin.
I bet you are tripping balls. No, actually the medication is a form of Chemotherapy. Sometimes it makes my skin burn and sometimes it makes my skin itch. I get blurry vision at times. The baby aspirin is a blood thinner to keep my blood from clotting which keeps me from a getting a stroke.
Juan! Muchas gracias para la AMA! Me gusta todo de tu trabajo con Racer X y el Mars Volta. Como se fue tu relaciones con los otros miembros del Racer X? Hablamos con Paul Gilbert? Muchas gracias para tu musica! Si. Pablo Gilberto es mi amigo por vida.
Do you tune to standard 440? Have you ever heard of cymatics in relation to using an alternate 432hz tuning? Is this something Mars Volta would ever experiment with? TMV is standard tuning.
Never heard of that.
Juan,thank you for all the inspiring music through the years,you are an important influence on me as a writer and as a player.Seeing you in Lisbon was so inspiring,next time come to Porto ,please. I would like to ask you what do you think about Trevor Dunn and in your opinion (apart from Jonathan Hiscke),what are some of the most innovative and alternative bassists in the last 20 years? Cheers. I know nothing about Trevor except that these bookers from Croatia booked his trio and they were touring by train with an upright bass and all their own gear. Punk!
Hey Juan! Just a quick question: back in 2009 TMV were playing 2h30 sets almost every show. Why were the shows on the Noctourniquet tour here in Europe so short? (about 80mins) O question.
Hey there, my question is: are titles of the songs rather titles of the musical compositions or titles of lyrics? C question.
As a bass player and a pedal/effect aficionado... What is your favourite bass effect, and what pedal could you not live without? Subs at the moment but it always changes. Boss CS-2.
Could you tell us the story of how you met Omar and got involved with The Mars Volta. Thanks for reaching out to your fans like this! Omar called me from Europe while they were on the first part of the Deloused tour in 03. I was at my desk job and he left a message. The next time he called, he said Manny from Distortion Felix sold him and Cedric on the idea of using me in their band.
I didnt meet him until my first audition with him and Jon. He was nice but stand off ish. Jon was cool but Henry, Omar's tech, started to play Scarified on Omar's guitar and I knew then it could be really cool.
As far as a question I really wanted to know what it was like working with John Frusciante and for that matter how it was going on tour with the RHCP as a whole. John is the one take wonder. He is so damn funky and solid. Everyone should be so lucky to record with him. A true inspiration and a true artist. I love touring with RHCP. Flea is always so generous to me. Chad and I go way back to the 80's. He used to hang with my East LA friends back then. I jammed with him at some East LA club ... we did Fire by Hendrix at 200 bpm!
Yes. I have skated since 76. I used to get Skateboard magazine when it first came out. We still are known to bring decks out on tour. Punk and skate run together. Not affected my playing or career at all. Bad Brains. Depends on the era. When we would just run Cicatriz, 80% was improvised. I would say now, 15% is improvised.. All our guys have been pro. Matt Bittman is our guy now and he kills it. There was a Jeff Berlin bass line I liked and I kind of bit elements of it and added it to the fretless. I answered that question a couple of times. Just scroll through. I love new wave and soul music. I would say hip hop is my favorite genre to listen to. Cedric put on a horse head on time. He is funny as shit.
I met them after all that. They are doing well.
Paul is the best teacher when you are in a band with him. He helped me become a better musician...and a faster one!
It changes, for sure. Jon and I had a lot of soul. D just confounds me with his talents. I played fast w Thomas. Dave made me hit harder because he hits so damn hard.
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