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A thread on how the syndicate makes money of the Apex Games.

I began to wonder how the Apex Games were funded and began to make a list of possible sources of income the syndicate has.
TV Rights : based of our real world events we know that the Apex Games is broadcasted throughout the frontier, with this comes cash for the syndicate. The Apex Games being such a big franchise it collects a massive viewer base and broadcast agencies would pay big bucks for the content to be displayed on their specific sites /television /studio (or how it gets to the consumer).
• From the build to season 4, we know the OTV (Outlands Television) broadcast special reports and interviews with legends. • From the Crypto's work order made from Q.W(lore piece retrieve from the Crypto-ARG confirmed to be Canon), we know ABMS(Apex Broadcasts Monitoring Systems) hired TJP(Crypto) and Mila to desgin drones for easy access stream to the games.
Betting : One of the syndicate biggest incomes.
• From the S4 Loading Screen, `Dining with Dino’, the food critic says he may need to place a few bets in the Thunderdome to afford his next visit to the restaurant (Tenmei), and uses the phrase “Kuben all the way!”. This tradition could've very well been carried to the current Apex games.
• From the Crypto trailer 'forever family' TJP(Crypto) and Mila discover a prediction algorithm which lead them to figure the syndicate is rigging the games.
On a normal basis the syndicate would make a fortune on betting alone, adding to the fact they rig the games allows them to guarantee a heavy profit. BBC news outlet reports that the footballing industry makes billions of dollars a year on betting . One can now only imagine how much the syndicate makes of out this.
Merchandise : Before a legend gets announced a legend they have to a sign a contract, doing this allows the syndicate to have image rights, with the availability to produce merchandise exclusive to the the syndicate only.
• In the opening cinematic, a newspaper article describes how people became fans of Bloodhound and such bought masks in favor of their favorite legend.
• From the S3 cinematic trailer, Mirage room suggests he has a HEAVY fanbase, which includes artwork and even statue of himself which could very well may be a collectable.
• Crypto trailer 'forever family' has a massive range of merchandise including a Caustic poster, Bangalore advertisements and nessie dolls.
Scotland makes nearly €41 million on loch ness yearly. Adding nessie dolls, legend merchandise, event exclusive items the syndicate sits on gold throughout the seasons.
Sponsorships : sponsorship are a great way to introduce new content into the Apex Games and the syndicate has it all planned.
• Hammond robotics sponsored construction to world's edge bringing now terrain to the Apex Games.
• Titanfall companies names /logos on varies skins for weapons /legends (of course this is not confimed to be Canon but a neat addition to the Apex Games)
In the 2017/2018 season the NBA(the nation basketball association) generated $1.12 billion from Sponsorships.
From Lifelines extra story we in fact know that the syndicate is actually the mercenary syndicate. After the war their contracts fell and were in need of money.
Credit to u/SPEARHEADPR for providing invaluable advice and prestigious lore.
Please leave any other sources of income for the syndicate that I may have missed.
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[OC] The Chicago Bulls rebuild imploded again this year. How can they pick up the pieces and make it better next time?

As we continue to wait for real basketball to happen (or not?), it may be a good time to monitor teams that will definitely be missing out on all the playoff bubble hijinks.
Here's a look at the CHICAGO BULLS, with a special shoutout to true Bulls' fans like celsius_two_3_two for helping me review the content.
PART ONE: From Playoff Challenger to Challenger space shuttle
Like any proper degenerate, I like to make a few Las Vegas "oveunder" bets before the season (note: don't try it at home, it's usually a waste of time and money.)
Still, a few win totals jumped out at me. Among them: the Chicago Bulls, oveunder 33.5 wins.
Now, the logical move may have been to pound the "under" here. After all, this was a team coming off two seasons with 27-55 and 22-60 records. However, I couldn't help but overthink this one. Sure, the Bulls had a very bad 2018-19 season (highlighted by Fred Hoiberg getting fired and Drill Sergeant Jim Boylen taking over). At the same time, they played better in the second half of the season. Boylen (douche or not) would presumably keep improving their defense. Moreover, Boylen and the front office were on shaky ground in terms of their job security, which usually motivates an organization to push forward and win as much as possible.
The front office clearly had that in mind as well, signing Tomas Satoransky and Thaddeus Young to sizable $10M+ contracts. Neither are great players, or perhaps even good players, but they're solid and reliable veterans whom the team could immediately plug into a rotation. These Bulls felt deep, balanced, and perhaps ready to strike. After all, star Zach LaVine would be set to enter Year 6 in the league. Otto Porter would be entering Year 7. Some of their other "young" pieces weren't that young; for example, Kris Dunn and Denzel Valentine are both 26 right now.
Overall, this felt like a recipe for success. Or at least, semi-success. The Bulls were ready to take a jump. Making the playoffs may have been unrealistic, but 35-38 wins felt doable. "OVER" it is!
Flash forward nearly a year later, and I've got so much egg on my face that vegans won't even talk to me anymore. Turns out, these "new Bulls" were the "same ol' Bulls." They'll end the season with a 22-43 record, which would have put them on pace for 27.8 wins over 82 games, well under the 33.5 set by Vegas.
So what went wrong? How did this potential darkhorse run so far off the rails that it needed to get shot and turned to glue? Let's take a closer look.
PART TWO: Missing Otto Porter III + D
One of the major reasons the Chicago Bulls disappointed in 2019-20 was injuries. Center Wendell Carter missed time, and Otto Porter III barely played due to lingering hip injuries. He appeared in 14 games, and only drew 9 starts (averaging 23 minutes per game.)
On the surface, Porter shouldn't feel like a huge loss. After all, this is a player who's never averaged as much as 15 PPG in any season in his career and has never sniffed an All-Star team.
That said, the loss of Porter had a trickle down effect that hurt the team in numerous ways.
Offensively, Porter is a low-usage player who's about as efficient as anyone in the league. For his career, he shoots over 40% from three (40.4%). Better yet, he's only averaged 0.8 turnovers per game (1.1 TO per 36 minutes.) He's what you'd call a role player / assassin. He gets in, hits his target, and slips out without being noticed. Porter actually has a little more versatility to his offensive game than the average catch-and-shoot player (he can take you down on the block, for example), but most often, he's used as a spacer and he thrives in that regard. Without Porter's shooting, the Chicago Bulls' offense looked even more sluggish than usual. Their offensive rating ranked 27th out of the 30 teams in the league.
Porter's loss also showed up in other ways. Porter's not a great defender -- he's probably "above average" -- but that's still an asset to have in your lineup. He's a savvy player who's usually locked in defensively, despite one infamous Shaqtin' A Fool moment. He also has good size and length for his position at 6'8" with a 7'1" wingspan.
That size is a key element to this discussion. Porter has "plus" size as a small forward. In his absence, the Bulls struggled to fill that void with the same. They ended up shifting Zach LaVine (6'6", 6'8" wingspan) over to small forward quite a bit. LaVine played 67% of his minutes at SF this past season according to basketball-reference. You can take those positional play-by-plays with a grain of salt because it's not easy to track and label, but that's still a notable difference in terms of the roster composition. The Bulls were smaller than average at SF, and smaller than average at SG with rookie Coby White (6'4", 6'5" wingspan) playing the majority of his minutes there.
The natural follow up to this may be: so what? Even with those size limitations, Jim Boylen's Bulls still finished with the 14th best defense (up from 25 last year.) However, the lack of size on the wings helped contribute to the Bulls' problems on the glass. They finished 30th (out of 30 teams) in total defensive rebounds, and 28th in rebounding differential (-3.6 per game). Using rebounding totals isn't always the best metric to use because bad teams miss more shots (and thus allow their opponents more rebounds). However, if you dig deeper, the numbers still aren't pretty. The Bulls' grabbed 75.6% of their potential defensive rebounds -- 5th worst in the league. Overall, they grabbed 47.9% of all potential rebounds -- 2nd worst in the league. "Rebounds" may be not be an en vogue stat in general, but it's a weakness that still hurt the team at the margins. When you're a mid-level team, those extra few possessions per game could mean the difference between a win and a loss.
The good news? Porter will likely be back and healthy next season. The bad news? He's not cheap. He'll almost certainly pick up his oversized $28M player option. In another circumstance, he may try to rip it up and renegotiate a long-term deal with the Bulls or another team instead, but the murkiness around the cap and around his health makes that too difficult to imagine. Barring a trade, he'll be back with the Bulls next year, and will help the team win a few more games.
PART THREE: Misusing their offensive weapons
The Chicago Bulls are a young team, built around young stars like Zach LaVine and Lauri Markkanen. Both LaVine and Markkanen have some limitations overall, but they're both gifted offensive players. So given that, how is it that the team only finished 27th in offensive efficiency?
In terms of the national media, a lot of the blame tends to fall on Zach LaVine. After some inefficient play early on in his career, the narrative has stuck that LaVine is an "empty calorie" or "volume" scorer. However, the results on the court don't really justify that anymore. Sure, LaVine shoots a lot, but he doesn't take as many bad shots as you may expect. He takes 8.1 threes per game (and makes an above-average 38%). He takes 5.6 free throw attempts per game (making 82% for his career.) Overall, that's a winning formula. LaVine's efficiency and true shooting is above league-average, no small feat for a player averaging 25.5 points per game this year. You'd like to see him hammer his way to the line even more, but he's not the problem for this team (offensively.)
Meanwhile, Markkanen has some work to do. For a 7-footer, he's a gifted shooter. He shot 42.3% from three in college (and even flirted with 50% early in the season.) He carried that success over to the NBA for his first two years, netting over 36% from three each year. His results at the free throw line (84% then 87% as a second-year player) illustrated his potential to keep improving from there. 7-footers tend to get labeled as "stretch bigs" if they can get anywhere over 30% from three; Markkanen has the potential to get closer to 40%.
However, that leap didn't happen in Year 3. Markkanen sagged to 34.4% from three, and "only" 82.4% from the free-throw line. But those percentages aren't what bothers me. Percentages will go up and down over smaller sample sizes like that. What's more concerning is how Markkanen's role shrunk offensively. After averaging 15.3 field goal attempts last season, he slipped down to 11.8 attempts this season per game. Even if you account for a few less minutes, he dropped from 17 FGA to 14 FGA in terms of "per 36" numbers.
As mentioned, Markkanen is an offensive player. He's a shooter. I'm no coaching genius (and neither is Jim Boylen apparently), but I'd encourage a shooter to SHOOT. Because if Markkanen isn't a focal point of your offensive attack, then he's not doing much good for your team. He's not a good defender -- he's not a good rebounder. This is like the Justice League sending Aquaman off to the find evil aliens in the desert; we're misusing his talents here, people.
Practically speaking, the next Bulls' coach needs to rethink the approach with Markkanen. Personally, I believe he has more in the tank offensively than he's been allowed to show so far. Maybe he's not Dirk Nowtizki, but he's still an extraordinary talent as a shooter for his size; I'd make a point of funneling him the ball. And if the problem is that he's getting marginalized by ball-dominant LaVine, then Markkanen should come off the bench as a 6th man scorer instead. He needs to be an offensive priority whenever he's in the game. And consequently, a better offensive philosophy and system needs to be installed in order to allow that to happen.
PART FOUR: Natural growing pains
When the Chicago Bulls' playoff chances slipped away, Jim Boylen and the front office finally unleashed their rookie, Coby White.
White took advantage of that greenlight and turned up the gas as a scorer. He'll end the season with a modest 13.2 points per game, but that undersells his impact as a scorer. Per 36 minutes, he averaged 18.5 points per game. That trended upwards over the course of the season as well. White averaged over 20 points per game in February and March (albeit over a limited 14 game size.) If White can do that as a 20-year-old rookie, then it's fair to suggest that he could be routinely scoring over 20 PPG in his prime.
While Coby White has some obvious virtues -- highlighted by his quickness and his cool hair -- there are some natural concerns and growing pains that he showed. He scored, but he didn't necessarily do that with efficiency. He shot only 39.4% from the field, and netted only a 50.6 true shooting percentage that's well below the league average.
Defensively, White also struggled. Playing "up" at SG for 71% of his minutes (and even at SF for 17%!), White's limited size and limited experience showed. ESPN's real/plus minus metric graded him as -1.9 impact per 100 possessions. If you wanted to count White as a point guard, that would rank 89th best (out of 94 qualifiers.) If you envision him as a shooting guard, that would rank 134th (out of 137 qualifiers.)
That debate -- is Coby White a point guard or shooting guard? -- is an important one. Sure, we're in an era of "position-less" basketball to some extent, but players still have certain roles offensively and certain assignments defensively. White's limited size and length (6'5" wingspan) projects best as a point guard. However, he's more of a scorer than a natural distributor. He only averaged 3.8 assists per 36 minutes this season, not far removed from the 5.2 assists per 36 minutes he averaged back in college at UNC. His playmaking can improve, but he's more of an attack dog by nature.
This combination of strengths and weaknesses makes you wonder about the long-term fit next to Zach LaVine. If the Bulls' long-term plan is to play White at SG and LaVine at SF, then they're always going to be behind the eight-ball in terms of length and rebounding (especially with Lauri Markkanen at the 4.) If their plan is to start White as a point guard, then they're going to have to rely on LaVine to be more of a lead facilitator, or on the entire team to adopt more of a ball-moving offense 1-5.
Most realistically, White projects best as a super-scorer off the bench, a la Lou Williams. To excel in that role, he'll need to continue to draw more free throws (he was at only 2.0 FTA per game as a rookie), but the potential is there to improve his shot selection and become a big-time scorer. Staggering White and LaVine would also allow them to be aggressive as scorers without stepping on each other's toes.
PART FIVE: Done with Dunn?
The other reason that it'll be important for the new Bulls' coach and front office to devise a long-term plan for Coby White is because it will affect other decisions on the roster. Among them: the fate of Kris Dunn.
Like Coby White, Dunn has some extreme strengths and weaknesses -- they just happen to be in opposite order. He EXCELS defensively. He has a big frame (6'9" wingspan) and natural instincts on that end. He nabbed 2.0 steals this season in only 24.9 minutes of action. A lot of times, "steals" can be misleading because they amount to gambling. For Dunn, it's more reflective of his actual talent. He has extremely quick hands; he could have made a lot of money as a gunslinger back in the Old West. In some ways, he reminds you of Andre Iguodala on the ball defensively, combining length, strength, and savvy.
The rest of Dunn's game is a mixed bag. He's not a bad distributor (averaging 6.0 assists in both 2017-18 and 2018-19), but he's a poor shooter. He's also had injury issues flare up over the course of his career. As mentioned, he's already 26 years old, so it's unrealistic to expect him to become a wholly different player in the next few years. With Kris Dunn, you mostly know what you're getting to get. So the question is: do you want it or not?
The Bulls will have to make that choice this offseason, as Dunn enters his (restricted) free agency. There's a chance that COVID will infect the cap and allow them to retain him on his one-year qualified offer of $7M. Alternatively, there's a chance that another team will swoop him and sign him to an offer sheet. He'd make some sense for a team like the Detroit Pistons, who could invest in him as an heir apparent to Derrick Rose at PG. If a team like that offers Dunn a deal in the 3 year, $8-10M per year range, will the Bulls match it? TBD.
Again, a lot depends on their views regarding Coby White. If they envision White as a future starter at PG, then there's less of a need for Kris Dunn. The Bulls would be able to start White at PG as soon as next year, with Tomas Satoransky as a combo guard off the bench and Ryan Arcidiacono serving as a third point guard and insurance policy. If the team envisions Coby White as a SG (or combo guard off the bench) then there's more of a need for Kris Dunn to platoon with Satoransky as a lead guard.
This game of musical chairs may be getting more crowded, because there's also another element at play: yet-another lottery pick.
PART SIX: Drafting some Help
Currently, the Chicago Bulls are slated in the # 7 position in terms of the NBA Draft order. They have a 9% chance of moving up to # 1, and a 32% chance of moving into the top 4. If they can make that leap, then that would mean adding another potential star to the fold. It's not a strong draft by any stretch, but SG Anthony Edwards (Georgia) and C James Wiseman (Memphis) have the potential to be good starters. If they can land someone like that, you ignore "fit", take the potential stud, and work out the rest later.
More likely, the Bulls will be picking in that 7-8 range. That's still a good pick, of course, but not one that should cause you to throw the baby out with the bath water and ignore the composition and needs of your team.
Again, this is why the "Do the Bulls need a PG?" question becomes so critical. This is a poor draft, but it's strongest in terms of its point guard depth. According to ESPN's draft experts, 5 of the top 13 prospects are point guards (LaMelo Ball, Tyrese Haliburton, Killian Hayes, R.J. Hampton, Cole Anthony). A few of those -- namely Hayes and Anthony -- are "pure" point guards who don't have enough size to switch around and play minutes at the 2.
Among the crop that's likely to be available around pick 7, here are some potential fits.
PG TYRESE HALIBURTON, IOWA STATE (# 8 on espn). Haliburton is one of the easiest "fits" for the Bulls and for basically every team, because he offers a versatile set of skills. He's technically a point guard (averaging 15.2 points and 6.5 assists last year) and can capably fill that role. Better still, he can be effectively off the ball. His three-point shot looks a little wonky, but he converts it well, hitting 42.6% of his threes in college. Defensively he's got good size (6'5" with a 6'10" wingspan) and instincts (2.5 steals, 1.3 fouls last year). In a sense, Haliburton can be a "3 + D" point guard that plays alongside a ball-dominant player, be it Zach LaVine or Coby White. If the team drafts him, you figure it'd be with the intention of using him as an upgrade on Dunn (slightly worse defense but better offense.)
SG DEVIN VASSELL, FLORIDA STATE (# 16 on espn). Like Haliburton, Devin Vassell is another player who could fit well on virtually every team because of his 3+D potential. He's hit 41.7% of his threes in his two years at FSU with a good-looking form that's aided by good size for his position and a higher release than Haliburton. Right now, Vassell is listed around 6'6" with an estimated 6'10" wingspan, but he looks bigger than that to my eye. That's crucial because it would allow him to play both SG and SF and draw some different assignments defensively. I also like Vassell's personality off the court; he seems like a good kid that should continue to improve. Like Haliburton, Vassell is the type of player that should easily into a lineup with LaVine and/or White.
SF DENI AVDIJA, ISRAEL (# 5 on espn). I'm not going to pretend to have as much confidence in my projection of Avdija, who's played in the international youth circuit and has been a rising star with Maccabi Tel Aviv. Based on what I do know, he could be an intriguing boom/bust pick around # 7. He's a big forward (6'9") who can convert inside, and better yet, has a real knack for playmaking. The Bulls' young stars -- Zach LaVine, Coby White, Lauri Markkanen -- are all better scorers than passers right now, so perhaps Avdija can operate as a de facto point forward and help the offense click into place. Right now, his shooting results have been shaky though, so he's not someone you can just throw out there and tell to stand in the corner as a 3+D option. If you take him, you need an actual plan to highlight his skill set. The Bulls' top exec Arturas Karnisovas is from Lithuania originally, so you presume that he'd have no qualms about selecting an European like Avdija (whose dad is Serbian) if need be. Of course, that logic didn't quite work out for Sacramento GM Vlade Divac and Luka Doncic.
SHAKIER FITS. Alternatively, there are some players in the Bulls' draft range that may not be ideal fits. As mentioned, Killian Hayes and Cole Anthony are more of traditional ball-dominant point guards; I don't love the idea of that next to Coby White and Zach LaVine. I'd also be wary of Dayton's PF Obi Toppin. Toppin has strong scoring potential with a decent shot and good athleticism inside. That said, he's a little stiff in the hips defensively, and may duplicate Lauri Markkanen in that regard.
PART SEVEN: Buh-Buh Boylen
One of the Chicago Bulls' biggest decisions will be among their first. Technically, the new front office has not fired coach Jim Boylen yet, but it appears that his clock is ticking on that decision. It's only a matter of time.
Candidly, Boylen gets too harsh of a rap from national media and fans. He's not a complete asshat. He's had success as a defensive assistant in the past, and did help the Bulls' defense improve some over the past few years. He'd be a fine assistant coach somewhere in that limited capacity.
However, he does seem woefully out of his depth as a head coach. He's never had success in that role before, and he didn't have any now. His offensive system is virtually nonexistent, and his attitude is boarish. Usually those "Drill Sergeant" coaches get a short-term year or two of improvement from a young team, but he couldn't even do that. We need to pull him out of there before there's a full-on Full Metal Jacket rebellion here.
Looking ahead, the Bulls need to pick a coach that can get the team back on track, especially in terms of their offensive philosophy. That said, the Bulls have to be careful not to "zigzag" too much in their coaching hires. They went from Tom Thibodeau (the gruff, defensive-heavy coach) to the Anti-Thibodeau in Fred Hoiberg (likable, low-key former player), and then jumped on the seesaw again with the complete opposite in Boylen. There's always a tendency to go for the opposite of your last coach, but presumably there's a happy medium in between these two poles. Goldilocks was happy to find something "just right," so Karnisovas should be as well.
According to media reports, Ime Udoka is a top candidate, and would be a natural fit. While Udoka doesn't have head coaching experience yet, he's about as "ready" as any first-time coach would be. He's a former player, and a long-time assistant under Gregg Popovich in San Antonio (and now has worked the last year in Philadelphia.) The Spurs' philosophy is an ideal template for the Bulls to use, both in terms of their offensive ball movement and their locker room culture.
I'd also recommend Kenny Atkinson as a viable candidate. He didn't mesh with the new superstars in Brooklyn, but he'd done a great job prior to that in terms of rebuilding a broken Brooklyn team. He specializes in pace and space offense, and player development. That sounds ideal for this team right now.
There are a few other candidates out there that would be worth interviews (Chris Finch, Wes Unseld Jr., Chris Fleming, Nate Tibbetts, Alex Jensen, Dave Joerger, etc) but Udoka and Atkinson represent a very solid top two. Hiring either of them would be a great first step for this new administration.
TL;DR
The Chicago Bulls' "breakout" didn't happen; instead, they broke down. However, the foundation isn't bad here. If the new front office wants to push for the playoffs next year (manifested by keeping Otto Porter and continuing to play veterans) then it's not unrealistic that they can get up to 35-40 wins with better health and a better offensive system. Conversely, the team may decide they're further away than that, and take a step back to collect their bearings.
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Grand Haven Pronto Pup owner freaks out on Facebook.

This was posted on the Grand Haven Pronto Pup Facebook page.
From the owner of Pronto Pups in Grand Haven, MI
Have a seat. This is going hurt a little.
Today after playing phone tag with the Ottawa County Health Department regarding the Executive Order to wear a mask while working, I discovered some things.
An "higher" education does not make you capable of critical thought. It makes you educated, not smarter. (Yes there is a difference). When a rule/ordedirective is issued, it has a blanket policy. Period. I am referring to standing over a 395 degree cooker of oil, INSIDE an exhaust fan and trying to reason with our book learning inspector (Over the phone) why a mask is irrelevant and useless in this particular case. This is the issue with no real word experience in working. No thought process. The inspector just sited from the current Executive order. I am told my reasoning was presented to the board but I hope it nots true or the board is right at the inspectors level intellectually. That scares me.
My personal opinion is to have the Health Department shut me down. (This looks better for me in the future law suite)
However, as a business owner, I have to look out for the best interest of our co-workers. My hard head would cost them income. Not fair to them. I did present the option to continue maskless and wait for the inevitable Ottawa County Health Department shut down or to wear the mask. Majority choose the mask so Here we are. We will remain open until someone claims the color of the building is offensive. (White).
If any of you believe this is a health issue, unfriend me. Please. This is 100% political. We are witnessing a school yard bully fight between the right and left. Period. To think anyone would support these morons destroying our nations economy is just mind boggling at best. Don't hit me with the "rise " in cases. I call bullshit. You test more, you find more.
Yes, covid19 is real. The American Journal of Medicine defines coronavirus as "The common cold". FACT.
There is soooo much misinformation out there. Mask work, then they don"t, Save them for the "Front line" (Oh, don't even get me started on that attempted glorification and honor robbing of our Veterans.) Sunlight kills it, just wait for summer. So many smart individuals out there with facts that the mask make no difference. Problem is , the Fucking Media controls all we see and hear. (Good Job HITLER).
If my Dad or Grandfather were alive today they would beat the shit out of me for standing by and letting this happen to our state/nation. Freedoms gone that they gave their lives for. But, todays kids don't understand what it takes to keep our freedoms. This is why the schools haven't taught Civis in decades. They do not want informed person that knows their rights........ If you are under 60, your govt class taught you the three levels of govt and how a bill becomes a law. Period. None of that have any of us actually used.
Our government has gotten so big and out of control that none of us know how to retake it.
i am going to grab a good friend (Jerry) and make 12' stencil patterns and paint WHITE LIVES MATTER down the first the blocks of Washington street. Any bets on the outcome? BLM has absolutely nothing to do with racism. Its funded by Soros and the Democratic part to destroy our economy. Its working. On that note, why isn't that asshat Soros dead?... He openly admits this. Gimmie his address........
I believe it will take fire power. Period. That is a shame. People in local, state and federal positions are Fathers, Mothers, aunts and uncles but they have also neglected their SWORN duties to up hold our constitutional rights. This is why some Sherrifs in the state will not enforce the latest "order". Good for them.
I am curious of the MIchigan Militias stand on this act of Treason that Michigans governor is putting us through. Maybe I run for president of the militia......
In closing my small rant, I believe it is time to make a statement that we are not tolerating this over reach of government any longer. We, as a people, need to band together and restart this great nation. There is no such thing as reparations. Period. It is time for everyone in the United States to be self supportive. If you want 7 kids, be sure you can afford them or pay for your own abortion. No social security number, no check. If you don't pay taxes why should I support you? Enter the United States legally through the proper channels and I welcome you but be ready to support yourself and your family.
The first one that says White Privilege gets an ass Whooping. My Dad never owned your Dad. Native Americans killed many White people in the early days of our nation. ts time Churches pay their fair share of taxes. Besides, since when does a house of worship need an indoor basketball court, high tech light show, Full band P.A. system to worship the lord? My Dad always stated: Some of the most religious people in the world have never stepped foot in a church.
Its also time to scale back the police departments. NOT defund, but trim the fat. While does the GH Department of Public Safety feel the need for a patrol car to hide in the bushes on Coho drive and try to catch vehicles that don't stop for the rail road tracks. (Yes, I stop).... Are ya fuck'n kidding me? Thats my tax dollars getting pissed away. Start enforcing these assholes with the loud cars, bikes etc for the noise ordinance and Exabition driving. I don't mind a good rumble but shits goon out of hand.
Oh, and call 911 once and see how that process works. I can unload faster than you can get an officer out to your area.
The worst feeling I ever had (they say trust your gut feeling) I whole heartedly believe on the Friday that the asshole Jeffery Wilis was on trial for Jessicas murder, She was at my place of business. No one will ever convince me other wise. As she was standing in front of me, my gut wrenched and I started to shake. Looking back, I should have grabbed my .38 and held the man with her but instead I called 911. TWENTY MINUTES and no officer. Of course, you have to tell your story to 3 different people before they connect you to someone who can dispatch. After a face-to-face meeting with the head of Ottawa County central dispatch, he informed they are a model unit and revered throughout the state. After calling back, A GHDPS officer called. Not arrived, but called. Informing me if it was her she is only guilty of a runaway or missing person. UN FUCKING BELIEVABLE. Friends in the know tell me that are absolute it wasn't her based on the evidence that was never released to the public. Not Convinced. I do regret not getting ahold of either sides council.
Its here that I best stop. Sorry if I offended any of you but dig up some facts.
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Indianapolis Colts Top 5: Quarterbacks

Indianapolis Colts Top 5: Quarterbacks
With the season (hopefully) on the way I thought I'd put together some lists for top 5 players at each position in Indianapolis (not Baltimore) Colts history. I'll start with QB, and work my way through. This list is purely my opinion as a die hard fan since the early Manning days, and if you think I have no clue what I'm talking about, please feel free to let me know.
Fun fact, out of the 26 QBs to start a game for the Indy Colts there are only 7 players that have a winning record. Three of them are Colts legends Josh Freeman, Gary Hogeboom, and Craig Erickson.

5. Jack Trudeau

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Years Record Playoffs Comp % Yards TDs INTs Y/A Rating
198-93 18-29 0-1 52.9 9,647 41 62 6.3 64.4

How He Got Here

After the complete disaster that was attempting to draft John Elway #1 in 1983, the then Baltimore Colts stuck with Mike Pagel at QB, who had just led them to a winless season in 1982. Team owner Robert Irsay decided to move the team to Indianapolis before the 1984 season the team stuck with Pagel as their main QB despite him clearly not being their future at the position. This led to 2 season with losing records and last place finishes in the AFC East. Entering the 1986 draft, the Colts were clearly looking for a franchise player at QB. The obvious choice was Jim Everett out of Purdue, but unfortunately he was selected #3 to the Houston Oilers when the Colts had the #4 pick. Instead of drafting the only other franchise QB in the draft, Mark Rypien, the Colts decided to select promising Illinois QB Jack Trudeau in the 2nd round. Trudeau had shown a lot of promise in his career, leading Illinois to a Rose Bowl in 1984 and finishing 2nd in the Davey O'Brien Award (Best College QB) to Doug Flutie. Unfortunately for him and the Colts, this talent would not translate well to the NFL

Colts Career

After trading Mike Pagel to the Browns the starting job was set for Trudeau entering the 1986 season. Unfortunately the Colts were still a very bad team overall and Trudeau was not set to overcome that. In 11 starts he had 8 TDs, 18 INTs, and a 48.9% completion rate for an 0-11 record. It was immediately clear he was not the savior the Colts needed to bring legitimate football to Indy.
Fortunately, a contract dispute between Hall of Fame RB Eric Dickerson allowed the Colts to trade for Dickerson midway through the 1987 season. Dickerson was an immediate breath of life to the fledgling Indianapolis Colts franchise and helped lead them to their first playoff berth. Trudeau shared starting duties with Gary Hogeboom, and both were successful in not screwing things up too bad, giving the ball to Dickerson, and staying out of the damn way. Trudeau started in his only playoff game and actually played decently well: 251 yards, 2 TDs, and 1 INT, but it wasn't enough as the Colts lost 38-21 to the Bernie Kosar led Cleveland Browns who would eventually lose in via "The Drive" in the AFC Championship.
It was clear the Colts would need a better QB to compliment their new superstar in Dickerson, and thus they drafted future Pro Bowler Chris Chandler in the 3rd round in 1988. However, Chris Chandler was most definitely not a Pro Bowler for the Colts. Chandler didn't impress despite an 9-7 overall record, and was replaced by Trudeau following a bad start to the 1989 season. Trudeau had his best year as a pro in 1989: 2,317 yards, 15 TDs, 13 INTs, but the Colts still finished 8-8 and outside of the playoffs.
Trudeau was improving, but was still clearly not the QB of the future, which they hoped to get by trading All-Pro Tackle Chris Hinton, Future All-Pro WR Andre Rison, and the #3 Pick in 1991 for the #1 Pick in 1990 which they used to draft QB Jeff George (Wow). Trudeau was kept as the backup and was a spot starter for the Colts from 1990-93. Despite the horrific play of George, Trudeau couldn't muster much better in his limited playing time and was released in 1994.

My favorite highlight

https://youtu.be/kM0APJieAME?t=678

Legacy

Jack Trudeau was at best a mediocre QB you could somewhat rely on to manage the game and allow more talented players to make plays. Unfortunately the late 80s, early 90s Colts didn't have too many of those so his play suffered as well. His numbers aren't great and he wasn't much beloved by Colts fans, but he did help lead the Colts to their first playoff appearance which helped me put him on the list over Matt Hasselbeck and others. Trudeau has actually hung around Indy doing various radio and TV appearances talking about the Colts and even has a couple of DUIs as well.

4. Jacoby Brissett

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Years Record Playoffs Comp % Yards TDs INTs Y/A Rating
2017- 11-19 0-0 59.8 6,042 31 13 6.6 84.6

How He Got Here

The Colts had their franchise QB in Andrew Luck, but leading up to the 2017 season it was revealed during the preseason Luck had a shoulder injury which would eventually lead to him missing the entire 2017 season. This left the Colts scrambling as they knew QB Scott Tolzien was not the answer at QB, so 8 days before the start of the season the new GM Chris Ballard traded 1st round bust Phillip Dorsett for 3rd string QB for the Patriots Jacoby Brissett. Brissett had looked at least competent spot starting for the suspended Tom Brady and hurt Jimmy Garoppolo in 2016, so he was the best option the Colts had available so close to the beginning of the season.

Colts Career

Bringing in a new QB for a team 8 days before the start of the season and asking him to play is like asking a train engineer to launch a rocket to the moon, so Tolzien started week 1 for Colts. He continued to not impress going into week 2, and was replaced for Brissett. Brissett was an improvement, but it was clear he was overwhelmed by the change of scenery and the rest of the Colts roster and staff was not talented enough to make up for it. He finished with competent numbers: 3,098 yards, 13 TDs, 7 INTs, 58.8% completion rate, 6.6 Y/A, but was merely a game manager for a bad team as the Colts finished 4-12.
Andrew Luck was ready to return in 2018 and the Colts were willing to give Brissett the benefit of the doubt and kept him on as the backup. The Colts saw a major resurgence with Luck and an incredible draft and free agent class by Chris Ballard, leading to their first playoff appearance since 2015, eventually losing to the Patrick Mahomes led Chiefs. The Colts were looking to improve going into 2019, but a now too familiar announcement led up to the season when it was revealed a calf injury was going to cause Andrew Luck to retire 2 weeks before the start of the regular season. The spotlight was once again shown on Jacoby Brissett, who was asked to take over Luck's team. Fortunately this time Brissett was able to get all the first team reps in the preseason leading up to week 1 and was much more familiar with the system.
That familiarity paid off as Brissett led the Colts to a 5-2 start, including wins over playoff teams like the Texans and Titans along with the eventual Super Bowl champion Kansas City Chiefs. Brissett was not putting up All-Pro numbers, but had clearly improved from 2017 and was still not making game losing mistakes. Through week 9 he had 190 YPG, 11 TDs, and 6 INTs, and and the eye test had shown he was a good leader and could occasionally make big plays when needed. However, after a knee sprain in week 10 he was clearly not the same player. His injury either hampered his physical abilities or his confidence but his poor play for the rest of the season allowed the Colts to fall to 7-9, including an embarrassing 34-7 loss to the Saints that I made the trip over to New Orleans for and watched as Brissett sailed the ball over every receiver's head. Brissett will likely be the backup for the 2020 season behind free agent Phillip Rivers, but he's shown enough flashes of ability that his career is long from over, whether that ends up being on the Colts or somewhere else in the league.

My favorite highlight

https://youtu.be/Q1bFNE0CGXY?t=287

Legacy

I believe I'm with the majority of Colts fans in that when I see Jacoby Brissett I see somewhat of a tragic figure. He got thrown to the wolves in 2017 and did the best he could, but was basically set up to fail. It's honestly not too much of a stretch to say his play through week 9 of 2019 was the best QB play by an Indy Colts QB not named Manning, Luck, or Harbaugh. You could tell he was well-liked by both fans and teammates, especially through the first half of 2019, but his limitations as a player were clear. Colts fans have been spoiled in the 21st century by 2 all-time great QBs, so any deviation from that, especially when it's not by a QB we drafted #1 overall, will be seen as a major failure. I think people came down a little too hard on Jacoby by the end of 2019, and that he's still a solid pro capable of being the QB on a winning team in the right situation. However, he showed in the 2nd half of 2019 that situation is probably not in Indy going forward.

3. Jim Harbaugh

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Years Record Playoffs Comp % Yards TDs INTs Y/A Rating
1994-97 20-26 2-2 60.7 8,705 49 26 7.1 86.6

How He Got Here

The Colts had come out of the Eric Dickerson/Jeff George era looking like an absolute dumpster fire. The Colts had been in Indy for 10 years and Indy was still very much a basketball town. The only signature player the Indy Colts had was Eric Dickerson, and he had a very sour exit in 1992 after 2 bad years. The Indianapolis Colts were still in the woods, searching for the player that could give their franchise hope that they would be treated as a legitimate threat in the NFL and generate significant interest from the fanbase. That hope came from an unlikely source in Jim Harbaugh. Harbaugh had led the Chicago Bears to 2 playoff appearances in the late Mike Ditka-era, but his play had fallen off and by 1994 he looked somewhat washed. The desperate Colts made a surprisingly wise decision in not drafting QBs Heath Schuler or Trent Dilfer. Instead they drafted future Hall of Fame RB Marshall Faulk to replace Eric Dickerson (this is the "Who the hell is Mel Kiper?" draft) and signing Jim Harbaugh.

Colts Career

Harbaugh didn't come out guns blazing in 1994 as he traded starting duties with Green Bay castoff Don Majkowski. Harbaugh put up decent numbers but the Colts finished 4-5 in games Harbaugh started, 8-8 overall. Harbaugh entered the 1995 season as no sure thing, the Colts actually traded their 1996 first round pick for young Tampa QB Craig Erickson in another baffling trade for an unproven QB. Erickson and Harbaugh competed for the starting position in training camp and Erickson was selected as the starter by head coach Ted Marchibroda.
Erickson played poorly the first 2 weeks, being replaced and outplayed by Harbaugh in both games. By week 3 Harbaugh was the full time starter and didn't look back. Harbaugh was showing that he meshed well with new Offensive Coordinator Lindy Infante as Harbaugh put up some of the most efficient passing numbers of any QB in the NFL in 1995: 2,575 yards, 17 TDs, 5 INTs, 63.7% completion rate, and a league leading passer rating of 100.7 (ahead of guys like Brett Favre, Troy Aikman, Steve Young, and Dan Marino). Even more importantly he was a becoming the tough effective leader to energize the entire team, leading the Colts to 4 game winning drives that season, including one over the 1994 Super Bowl champion 49ers. The Colts were just outside of the playoffs going into week 17, but Harbaugh led the Colts to a win over the Drew Bledsoe led Patriots in the RCA Dome to sneak the Colts into the playoffs at 9-7. Harbaugh earned his first Pro Bowl appearance along with NFL Comeback Player of the Year.
The Colts were going into the playoffs as 5.5 point underdogs against the San Diego Chargers, a team they had just lost to in week 16. However, thanks to 3 TDs from Harbaugh and an out-of-nowhere 147 yard, 2 TD performance from rookie FB Zach Crockett, the Colts overcame the odds. They were heading into a gauntlet of Arrowhead stadium against the best defense in the league and a Marcus Allen led 13-3 Kansas City Chiefs. In an ugly game where the wind chill was -15oF, luck worked in the Colts favor. Harbaugh didn't throw well, but picked up several key 1st down with his legs. He had 1 INT and 3 fumbles, but fortunately lost 0. Chiefs QB Steve Bono had 3 INTs and K Lin Elliot went 0/3 on field goals in a season where he made 80%. Colts K Cary Blanchard made 1/3, and that was enough to upset the heavily-favored Chiefs 10-7. Harbaugh's most defining moment as the Colts QB would come in the AFC Championship against the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Harbaugh's cinderella story continued on against Bill Cowher and Neil O'Donnell's Steelers. The Colts and Steelers traded scores throughout the game. With 8 minutes left in the 4th quarter, Harbaugh threw a dime to WR Floyd Turner for a 47 yard touchdown to put the Colts up 16-13. Unfortunately the Colts couldn't run out enough clock on their next drive and the Steelers rushed down the field for the go-ahead score to put them up 20-16. Harbaugh wasn't done yet. With 88 seconds needing 84 yards, Harbaugh willed the Colts down the field to the Steelers' 29-yard line for a hail mary shot with 5 seconds left. Harbaugh tossed up a prayer that was very nearly caught by Colts WR Aaron Bailey, but he couldn't come up with it. The Cinderella story was over, but it was a defining moment for the Colts franchise. The 1995 Colts were within a hair of making the Super Bowl, and that 1995 playoff run led by Harbaugh created a real fanbase for them.
Harbaugh's stats regressed some in 1996, but he still led the Colts to a 9-7 record and the playoffs, this time getting whooped by the Steelers in the wild card. In 1997 his stats improved some but the wheels fell off of the team as they started off 0-10, eventually falling to 3-13. Fortunately their record would net them the #1 pick in the 1998 draft. After it was clear the Colts were using the pick on QB they traded Harbaugh to the Ravens.

My favorite highlight

https://youtu.be/FT4vF24WanE?t=155

Legacy

“A lot of people use (the word) ‘culture,’ but the attitude, everybody was team-first, from the front office, together with the coaches, together with the ownership, together with the players, the equipment staff, the training staff, I mean it felt like we were family.” - Jim Harbaugh on 1995
I don't think enough can be said about the effect of Harbaugh and that 1995 team had on the Colts. He gave us our first source of pride in the Colts and set the tone for the franchise to not be the laughingstock of the league. He paved the way for the decades of excellence that came after. Harbaugh will never be a HoF QB, but his effect on the Colts is severely underrated.
For more details on the 1995 Cinderella season, read this IndyStar article: https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2016/01/21/1995-indianapolis-colts-jim-harbaugh-aaron-bailey-afc-championship-game-ted-marchibroda/78291676/

2. Andrew Luck

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Years Record Playoffs Comp % Yards TDs INTs Y/A Rating
2012-18 53.33 4-4 60.8 23,671 171 83 7.2 89.5

How He Got Here

After a serious neck injury to franchise stalwart Peyton Manning, the Colts went from perennial playoff contender to nearly winless in 2011. It was unknown if Manning would ever be the same QB again, so the Colts opted to release their most valuable player and use their #1 pick in 2012 on a QB. There was some debate on possibly drafting the Heisman winner out of Baylor, Robert Griffin III, but new GM Ryan Grigson made no doubt in the fact that he was drafting Andrew Luck. Son of former Oilers QB Oliver Luck, Andrew Luck blossomed under head coach Jim Harbaugh to revitalize the Stanford football program while also graduating with a bachelor's degree in architectural design. Luck was hailed by nearly every scout as a can't miss prospect, having nearly every physical tool you want from a QB along with a clear handle on the mental and intangible aspects of the game.

Colts Career

Expectations for Luck were high going into 2012, but not so for the team overall. Many experts put the Colts at or near the bottom of all power rankings. Not only had the team lost Peyton Manning that year, but also many key pieces from the Manning era such as Pierre Garçon, Joseph Addai, Dallas Clark, Jeff Saturday, and Gary Brackett. To make matters worse, new head coach Chuck Pagano was diagnosed with leukemia and missed weeks 5-16. However, despite all odds, Luck led the Colts to an 11-5 record. Interim Head Coach Bruce Arians proved to be a diamond in the rough by helping Luck turn a 2-14 team that lost multiple starters into a playoff team. Luck's stats weren't always pretty: 23 TDs, 18 INTs, 54.1% completion rate, and a 76.5 rating, but he could clearly make plays happen with an absurd 7 game winning drives. The miracles came to an end with a shellacking by the eventual Super Bowl champion Baltimore Ravens in the playoffs, but this season proved Luck would be no bust, he was a force to be reckoned with.
Luck continued to grow in 2013 and 2014, improving in every category to crescendo in 2014 with a league-leading 40 TDs, 16 INTs, 61.7% completion rate, and a 96.5 rating. In 2013 he led the Colts to his first playoff victory in spectacular fashion. After being down 38-10 early in the 3rd quarter to the Alex Smith led Chiefs, Luck led a furious and unbelievable comeback 45-44 victory. Any Colts fan could tell you after seeing all the comeback victories Luck had led to never count him out, and he cemented that in this game. In 2014 Luck led the Colts past their old god of Peyton Manning in Denver in the divisional round, but were given a thorough ass-whooping in the AFC Championship by the soon-to-be Super Bowl champions New England Patriots in what is now infamously known as the "Deflategate Game."
Andrew Luck was a very physical player and was known to take many hits, sometimes making spectacular plays through those hits. However, that punishment started to pile up and wasn't helped by GM Ryan Grigson's poor draft classes and inability to build a competent offensive line to block for Luck. This culminated in the injury plagued 2015 and 2016 seasons. Luck only played 7 games in 2015 and severely regressed in every statistical category, clearly hampered by various injuries such as a lacerated kidney. Luck's stats improved in 2016, but the team did not as they finished 8-8, partially due to an astounding 7% sack of Luck. Either some of Luck's good fortune had finally run out or the team and culture built by GM Grigson had completely failed to support their superstar QB. Owner Jim Irsay bet on Luck and fired Grigson after 2016.
Hopes were high heading into 2017, but unfortunately an unknown snowboarding accident aggravated a previous shoulder injury for Luck. News was very slow to come out, but fans were shocked to find out he would likely miss the entire season 8 days before week 1. New GM Chris Ballard made a quick trade for Jacoby Brissett, but fans were worried after 3 years of being hampered by injuries Luck may never be the same player.
In 2018 we believed those doubts were proven wrong. Luck had an incredibly resurgent season, leading the new look Colts back into the playoffs for the first time since 2014 with a 10-6 record. Luck's numbers were back to form: 39 TDs, 15 INTs, and career bests of 67.3% completion rate and 98.7 rating. Fans were pleased to finally see Luck playing behind a solid offensive line that prevented which prevented him from being sacked for 5 weeks and giving him a career low 2.7% sack rate. Luck led the Colts to a Wild Card win over the Deshaun Watson's Texans, but were stopped in the cold in Arrowhead against Patrick Mahomes' Chiefs. However, hopes were high leading into 2019 that the structure given by GM Chris Ballard would protect Luck and allow him to lead us to our Super Bowl.
Sadly that did not work out as Luck appeared to have a calf injury leading up to the 2019 season. Fans held out hope he would be ready to go for the start of the season, but after the years of rehabbing Luck had finally had enough. 2 weeks before the season opener during a preseason game against the Chicago Bears it was leaked that Luck planned to retire. Fortunately his backup Jacoby Brissett was put in a better position to take his place as opposed to 2017, but the sudden and unexplained retirement of their franchise QB right before the season led to some fans to boo Luck as he left the field at Lucas Oil Stadium for the last time.

My favorite highlight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teNLH0p6WHs
or
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBHhO2yWRMo
or

Legacy

Andrew Luck will forever be one of the greatest "what if?" stories in American sports history. Unlike many "what if?" stories, we got to see what we could have had with Luck. What the Colts had in Luck from 2012-14 along with 2018 was nothing short of incredible and it was clear he was improving to potentially become one of the greatest QBs in NFL history. Instead he's a tragic story where fans will forever be left to wonder what could have been with Andrew Luck. Would Luck have brought the Colts back to the Super Bowl if he he didn't play the majority of his career under the poor management of GM Ryan Grigson and HC Chuck Pagano? All we do know is that his sack rate under Grigson was 5.5%, and in one year on GM Chris Ballard's team it was 2.7%, coincidentally also one of his best statistical seasons. Peyton Manning's sack rate for his career? Tied for the NFL record with Dan Marino at 3.13%. Maybe if Luck had been better protected and coached better to avoid hits he could have made it up there with Manning, but as fans he'll forever be a "what if?" Luck seems like a smart and content man who's just starting a family, so I doubt he will ever return for any team. Even if he did we'll forever be robbed of what the best version of Andrew Luck could have been. However, in his short time here, he delivered enough incredible moments to give us hope and make us love the team. I, along with hopefully many other fans, will forever love Andrew Luck for his time with the Colts and am grateful for a helluva run.

1.Peyton Manning

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Years Record Playoffs Comp % Yards TDs INTs Y/A Rating
1998-11 141-67 9-10 64.9 54,828 399 198 7.6 94.9

How He Got Here

The Indianapolis Colts under Jim Harbaugh had finally established themselves as a legitimate team, but the Colts knew Harbaugh wasn't the long-term answer at QB. He was 35 going into the 1998 season and had just led the Colts to a 3-13 season, bad enough for the #1 overall pick. There was some debate about drafting Heisman finalist out of Washington, Ryan Leaf, but new GM Bill Polian made no doubt in the fact that he was drafting Peyton Manning. Leaf had some incredible athletic abilities, but there were some doubts raised about his ability to handle the mental aspects of the game. He also basically made the decision for the Colts when he skipped their draft interview, a passive-aggressive declaration he wouldn't play for the Colts. Peyton Manning, son of former Saints QB Archie Manning, was also a Heisman finalist out of Tennessee. No scout doubted Manning's ability to become a franchise QB in the NFL, but some wondered about his potential ceiling due to a complete lack of running ability and some arm strength concerns. However, he was clearly one of the most mature and mentally ready players to ever come out of college for any position.
"I'll leave you with this thought. If you take me, I promise you we will win a championship. If you don't, I promise I'll come back and kick your ass" -Peyton Manning to Colts GM Bill Polian on the day before the 1998 draft

Colts Career

The 1998 Colts were still a pretty bad team overall, and the rookie Manning was not enough to overcome that. He had one of the best statistical rookie seasons ever: 3,739 yards, 26 TDs, 28 INTs, 6.5 Y/A, and a 56.7% completion rate, setting records for yards, TDs, and INTs (yards and TDs are currently held by Andrew Luck and Baker Mayfield respectively). However, the deficiencies of the team and Manning's record number of interceptions helped give the Colts a 3-13 record, including a week 5 win over Ryan Leaf's San Diego Chargers.
Fortunately Manning helped lead one of the biggest turnarounds in NFL history in 1999, turning the 3-13 Colts in 1998 into the 13-3 Colts in 1999. People weren't exactly ready to give up on Manning after 1998, but 1999 was critical for showing Manning could improve and be at the helm of a winning team. Partially this was helped by sending Hall of Fame RB Marshall Faulk to St. Louis in exchange for the draft pick to select Hall of Fame RB Edgerrin James, who had a phenomenal rookie year. The Colts ended up losing to the Tennessee Titans in the playoffs, who had just completed the Music City Miracle the week before and would come within an ass hair of winning the Super Bowl against the Greatest Show on Turf St. Louis Rams.
Manning was up and down from 2000 to 2002, still posting good stats but missing the playoffs in 2001 ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oSFYxDGKy8 ) and having first round exits in 2000 and 2002. Whispers started turning into legitimate arguments about how Peyton Manning was a good stats, dome team, regular season QB that just didn't have it in the playoffs. In 2003 Manning started his absurd streak of 12+ win seasons (7 years) and picked up his first MVP award, the first (and still only) Indy Colt to win it. He also got his first playoff wins in 2003, but was quickly put to shame in a 4 INT performance in the AFC Championship against the Patriots, now known by Colts fans as "The Ty Law Game."
The 2004 season is well known by Colts fans for cementing Manning among the all time greats. Manning was white hot all year, throwing for 4,557 yards 49 TDs, 10 INTs, and a 121.1 rating while only getting sacked 13 times. The 49 TDs was a record, which has since been broken by Tom Brady and Manning again while a member of the Broncos. Manning won MVP for the 2nd year in a row, but once again disappointed in the playoffs with a 0 TD, 1 INT performance against the Patriots in the divisional round, losing 20-3. Those arguments of Manning's postseason jitters were starting to feel more and more like reality for Colts fans. They knew they had their franchise QB, but his inability to perform in the playoffs continued to be baffling.
2005 was supposed to be the season that changed all that. Manning's numbers came back to earth somewhat, but he still posted a very efficient performance (104.1 rating) for a much improved overall team. GM Bill Polian had proved his days building the "Four Falls over Buffalo" Bills dynasty was no fluke, he now had a team with the #2 scoring offense and the #2 scoring defense. This was the year to break the Manning postseason curse. Unfortunately in one of the most upsetting games of my life, the Colts could not break that curse against the Steelers in the divisional round. Manning played relatively well: 58% completion rate, 290 yards, and 1 TD with no INTs, but watching the game the Colts struggled to maintain momentum and get stops against the rookie Ben Roethlisberger. Despite the inconsistent play, the Colts still had a shot. Steelers HoF RB Jerome Bettis attempted to ice the game with a goal line carry, but fumbled for the first time all year. With the entire Steelers offense stuffing the line, Colts CB Nick Harper was free to pick up the ball with a nearly open field ahead of him. Normally Nick Harper is one of the faster players on the field, however, as every Colts fan knows, Harper had been stabbed in the leg by his wife in a "supposedly accidental" altercation the night before. This possibly allowed the falling down Ben Roethlisberger to catch Harper by his shoe strings, preventing the nearly sure thing TD by Harper to put the Colts ahead. Instead Manning led the Colts into basically chip shot field goal position for one of the most accurate kickers in NFL history (Mike "Idiot Kicker" Vanderjagt) to tie the game. We all know what happened next. It was a shocking loss to say the least, and it was hard to blame it all on Manning, but it still felt like there was some sort of mystical VooDoo curse hanging over Manning and our franchise.
If the Colts couldn't win it all in 2005 it felt like they never would. 2006 wasn't looking like anything special compared to the past few seasons, especially considering the defense regressed from #2 in scoring in 2005 to #23 in 2006. Manning was still putting up great numbers, but those were starting to feel like an exercise in futility. Fortunately the Colts caught fire at the right time, with oft-injured All-Pro Safety Bob Sanders getting healthy towards the end of the season and the trade deadline addition of Buccaneers DT "Booger" McFarland. That momentum pushed them to an AFC Championship, where Manning would match up against the source of his ultimate playoff failures, Tom Brady and the New England Patriots. Fortunately, this time it was in the RCA Dome, not Foxborogh, MA. Manning and the Colts started off cold, being down 21-3 at one point after a Manning pick-6, but the Colts rallied behind some incredibly orchestrated drives by Manning to finally get the monkey off his back. On a last second drive, Manning drove the Colts down the field to put them ahead 38-34 with 1 minute to go. A Marlin Jackson interception of Tom Brady sealed it, Manning and the Colts were going to the Super Bowl for the first time in Indy history. Manning played well in the Super Bowl, winning the MVP against the league-best Chicago Bears defense.
Manning continued his solid play in 2007 and 2008, including his 3rd MVP in 2008. Both seasons ended with heartbreaking first round playoff exits to the San Diego Chargers, 2008's being the "Sproles and Scifres Game." 2008 also showed the first signs of physical weakness from Manning, having a knee surgery before the season that led to a slow start for the Colts. That was not the case in 2009, as Manning led the Colts to start the season 14-0. In a decision that's still derided today, new head coach Jim Caldwell decided to effectively bench Manning along with many other starters rather than go for the perfect season to prevent any injuries. Many had seen the Patriots in 2007 nearly complete the perfect season, but fall in heartbreaking fashion in the Super Bowl against a less talented Giants team. Caldwell, like many others, decided that any rust from not playing for nearly a month was worth the decreased risk of injury to his stars. That decision nearly backfired in spectacular fashion as the Colts were behind the New York Jets (a team they effectively let into the playoffs by letting them win in week 16) in the AFC Championship game until Manning led a furious comeback. It all ended poorly in the Super Bowl however as Manning threw a pick-6 to Tracy Porter that still haunts my dreams to Tracy Porter, allowing the Colts to lose to Drew Brees and his stupid baby and the New Orleans Saints.
2010 was one of the first signs of weakness from Manning. He had apparently injured his neck on this play in 2006 ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gjdmww3vgM ) on a hit that would now be extremely illegal. Manning apparently aggravated that injury in the lead up to the 2010 season, and it showed in the stats as he had how lowest rating since 2002 (91.9). For most other QBs a rating of 91.9 is a pretty solid season but for Manning it was a massive fall. This led to a quick playoff exit to the Jets in the first round. In the lead up to the 2011 season, Manning had several surgeries to relieve the pain in his neck which led to him missing the entire season. It was unknown if he would ever be the same QB again, or even play again. Manning's absence showed how incredibly important he was to the franchise, the only major difference between the rosters in 2010 and 2011 is Manning, yet the Colts went 10-6 in 2010 and 2-14 in 2011. This poor record led to the Colts earning the #1 pick in the 2012 draft, which fueled their decision to release Manning and draft a QB in 2012 (Chandler Harnish...and Andrew Luck).

My favorite highlight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DttfyOeU3vw
or
https://youtu.be/al13DoOFp78
or
https://youtu.be/UE4UgMc2QqA?t=581

Legacy

"Fellas, if 18 goes down, we're fucked, and we don't practice fucked." -Offensive Coordinator Tom Moore on why the backup QBs don't get more reps
Nothing to me cements Peyton Manning's role in Indy as much as this quote. Even his first 5 years before he became an all-time great, that was still the best sustained stretch of QB play in Indy Colts history. Once he ascended to another level in 2003, it was clear we needed to put every egg we could find into his basket. Manning was the perfect franchise QB: a steady presence on and off the field, consistent delivery of either incredible numbers or game winning performances (usually both), and he made nearly everyone else on the team a better player. His drive and commitment to team victory made him the guy every franchise needs if they want to field a consistently great team. Peyton had somewhat of an authoritarian leadership style, my way or the highway, but you can do that when you show that you're willing and able to give every ounce of yourself to the team and deliver the kind of results that he can.
I think some people are disappointed in the Manning Era considering how historically great his stats are but he was 1-1 in Super Bowls in 12 years here. Honestly I think that's not too far off for any all-time QB. Drew Brees is 1-0, Brett Favre is 1-1, Aaron Rodgers is 1-0, Fran Tarkenton is 0-3, Jim Kelly is 0-4, Dan Marino is 0-1, all of these guys are all-time great franchise QBs but it's not abnormal for them to only win 1 or lose several. There are some exceptions: Tom Brady (6-3), Joe Montana (4-0), Terry Bradshaw (4-0), and Troy Aikman (3-0), but honestly you could trade any of the former QBs for Terry Bradshaw and they would also probably be 4-0. There's lots of luck in every playing career, and some get luckier than others. The only season I'd say the Colts were "robbed" of a Super Bowl is 2005, otherwise I think Manning's Colts career went about as good as it could have.

Honorable Mentions: Matt Hasselbeck (5-3 record, probably our best backup ever) and Dan Orlovsky (just for saving us from a completely defeated season).
Dishonorable Mentions: Jeff George and Kerry Collins (being very bad at QB isn't very uncommon for Indy Colts QBs, but these guys were so bad and toxic they dragged down the abilities of everyone on the team and are actively hated by most fans)
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Full Mock Draft in honor of what should have been draft day

The NBA draft should have been on June 25th. Even though we're going to be waiting another few months, I thought a mock draft would be fun. I didn't do a Tankthon spin. I didn't make any trades. I tried to go based on what I thing teams will do, not necessarily what I think they should do, though my opinions obviously impact the decisions as well.
  1. GS - Anthony Edwards SG (UGA) - Adds depth to their backcourt that is lacking in talent outside of Steph and Klay. Gives them another ball handler to take some pressure off Draymond. Could potentially play in a small-ball lineup with Steph and Klay as well, where he wouldn't have as much on-ball responsibility and could take advantage of his underrated cutting abilities. Best player available, imo.
  2. CLE - James Wiseman C (MEM) - Though I think LaMelo should be the pick, they have drafted guards in the last two drafts, plus KPJ has shown a lot of promise, so that might lead their front office away from drafting a guard. Wiseman helps beef up their frontcourt, which could be essential if they lose Thompson and/or Drummond isn’t in their future plans.
  3. MIN - LaMelo Ball PG (NBL) - BPA at this spot. Defense is concerning, as is the offensive fit, but I buy LaMelo a bit as an off-ball guy and when he has the ball, the two-man game w/ KAT could be lethal. The potential offensive upside is too much to pass up at this spot given the lack of suitable alternatives.
  4. ATL - Deni Avdija SF (BSL) - His stock might rise due to the BSL starting back up, to the point where he’s viewed by most as a top 5 guy. He adds another ball-handler for them, plus some wing depth that is always nice to have. If the playmaking is there, he could be a good fit as a secondary initiator next to Trae.
  5. DET - Killian Hayes PG/SG (BBL) - Not sure if he’ll be able to carry a roster so bereft of talent, but they’re in a multi-year rebuild, they need a PG, and he’s a reasonably safe bet to be an effective player with some enticing upside given his development trajectory over the last few years. He’s a good building block, he fits well with a lot of the top 2021 guys, and he should be an important piece for their future.
  6. NY - Tyrese Haliburton PG/SG (ISU) - Not my favorite choice for them considering his limited ability to be a primary creator, but if they are high on Barrett’s ability to initiate offense, then this fit makes some sense. They’re in a multi-year rebuild and Haliburton is a great fit as the 3rd or 4th best player on any team.
  7. CHI - Obi Toppin PF (DAY) - Could potentially be viewed as the BPA here, though he isn’t imo. Could come off the bench and provide a scoring punch or slide into the starting lineup if Markkanen isn’t part of the future. WCJ is a good fit next to him to cover for the clear defensive issues.
  8. CHA - Onyeka Okongwu PF/C (USC) - BPA and the best fit for Charlotte. Allows them great roster flexibility in the future and could be a good PnR big for their current backcourt tandem. Gives them a paint presence that they otherwise lack.
  9. WAS - Isaac Okoro SF (AUB) - Adding a really impactful defender to one of the worst defensive teams in the league this year is always a good thing. He could fill a secondary playmaking role if they move on from Wall or Beal. The shooting is a concern especially playing next to Wall, Rui, and Bryant, but the defensive upside and well-rounded offensive game is a worthwhile bet.
  10. PHX - Devin Vassell SG/SF (FSU) - Best team defender on the board and someone who can open the floor up for Booker. Add in Ayton’s improved defense and another solid defender in Bridges and you’re left with a promising defensive core to surround Booker with. If the off-the-dribble shot-making flashes that he’s shown are real, he could be a valuable wing creator for a team that needs more self-creation.
  11. SA - Patrick Williams SF/PF (FSU) - Maybe a bit of a reach here for the Spurs, but I trust their development staff to mold him into a really effective player on both ends. He feels like a Spurs player. They needed to bolster their front court and he can provide that with his elite weak-side rim protection. I also trust their medical staff to figure out the muscle imbalances in his legs, which could lead to him becoming a more effective wing defender.
  12. SAC - Tyrese Maxey PG/SG (UK) - Probably not the best fit next to Fox, but with one of Bogdanovic or Hield likely not being in their long-term plans, I think Maxey can slide in and play the 2 pretty effectively. He’s the best player left on the board imo and they could benefit from his good defensive instincts, solid outside shooting projection, and high level burst & finishing.
  13. NO - Cole Anthony PG (UNC) - A great fit in my eyes for a team that doesn’t have a ton of holes, but bench scoring is certainly one of them. Playing him with Lonzo or Jrue, where he won’t have to make a ton of decisions and could focus less of his energy on the defensive end would work great for him. Also the best player left in my view.
  14. POR - Saddiq Bey SF/PF (VILL) - Fills a real need for the Blazers in their frontcourt and he’s among the more pro-ready prospects, which is great for a team that will want to make the playoffs next year. His shooting will be really valuable for them as well.
  15. ORL - Kira Lewis Jr. PG (ALA) - For a team that doesn’t have a ton of young offensive talent, Kira could be a very welcome addition and he fits reasonably well next to Fultz. His rim pressure could certainly help break defenses down and create open looks for shooters or dump-offs to Isaac/Vuc/Bamba. The small frame isn’t a huge concern when placing him on a team with such a deep and defensively versatile frontcourt.
  16. MIN (via BKN) - Aaron Nesmith SG/SF (VAN) - Certainly would have liked to have addressed the defense here, but there isn’t anyone that is particularly enticing on that front in my eyes in this range. Adding Nesmith to a team that struggled to make 3s could be very valuable. His movement off the ball will create open looks for himself and bend the defense for his teammates, which should help LaMelo/D’Lo.
  17. BOS (via MEM) - Aleksej Pokuševski PF (GBL A2) - For a team with 3 first round picks and not a ton of roster space, taking a swing on someone like Poku makes a lot of sense. He may want to come over immediately, where they can put him in the G-League and work on his physical strength, or they can stash him and bring him over later on to bolster their frontcourt.
  18. DAL - Precious Achiuwa PF/C (MEM) - I see Precious as a center in the NBA due to his offensive limitations and poor floor-spacing ability. I like the fit next to Porzingis as Precious can switch on the perimeter on defense and then play on the inside on offense. They probably need to address their frontcourt after the Dwight Powell injury as well.
  19. MIL (via IND) - RJ Hampton PG/SG (NBL) - Milwaukee can take a swing here because of how well their roster is already built. RJ can develop his shot and decision-making in the G-League as a rookie and can then slide into a bigger and bigger role as Bledsoe gets older and he gives them the option to move on from George Hill at the end of next season if RJ can develop as I think that he can.
  20. BKN (via PHI) - Josh Green SG (ARIZ) - Brooklyn could definitely benefit from some wing depth, and with a backcourt of Kyrie and Dinwiddie, they’re gonna need some guys who can defend the other team’s guards. Green might be the best on-ball wing defender in the class, and if his shot comes around, this is a really good pick for them.
  21. DEN (via HOU) - Jaden McDaniels SF/PF (WASH) - Because of their depth, Denver can take a swing on a high-risk, high-reward prospect in McDaniels. Maybe a bit redundant with MPJ already in their future plans, but McDaniels has some defensive potential especially on the interior and could learn from Paul Millsap in that regard. If they can work on his shot and decision-making, he provides them with some more frontcourt depth and another competent shot-maker to put next to Jokic.
  22. PHI (via OKC) - Tyrell Terry PG (STAN) - Basically a perfect fit. One of the better shooters in the class and someone who can score from the outside both off the catch and off the dribble. Has some playmaking ability and fits very well next to Simmons. His lack of strength and generally poor frame aren’t huge issues considering how much size the Sixers have, both in their starting lineup and off the bench.
  23. MIA - Théo Maledon PG (LNB) - Though Kendrick Nunn had a good year and Butler has shown some ability to play PG, Maledon is a good fit for Miami to strengthen their backcourt, which could be pretty thin if they don’t hold onto Goran Dragic. If they can develop him, Maledon could turn into a very effective guard for the Heat with his potential to dribble, pass, and shoot at a high level.
  24. UTAH - Isaiah Stewart PF/C (WASH) - Though I disagree with the selection and I believe they could benefit from adding a point guard, Stewart definitely has some appeal for the Jazz. With a frontcourt that is pretty shallow after Gobert, Stewart makes sense as a natural backup in the short term, and if his shot can improve, he may be able to give the Jazz a different offensive dimension out of their frontcourt than what Gobert currently provides.
  25. OKC (via DEN) - Desmond Bane SG/SF (TCU) - With Gallinari potentially walking this summer and the Thunder being near the bottom of the league in terms of 3PT attempts, Bane makes a lot of sense as a 3 and D player who may end up being the best shooter in the draft. Couple that with the playmaking flashes he has shown and you’re left with a really solid player who fills a clear need for the Thunder.
  26. BOS - Leandro Bolmaro PG/SG (ACB) - The inclination may be for the Celtics to address their frontcourt with this pick, but Bolmaro is definitely worth a swing here. He is unlikely to come over next year, but when he does, provided he’s able to add some strength and hopefully improve upon his jumpshot, the Celtics could be left with a really enticing and young guard prospect to add to their bench and back up Kemba, Couple that with their success in improving the shots of Smart, Brown, Baynes, Olynyk, Horford, and others, and Bolmaro could be set up for success in the Celtics system.
  27. NY (via LAC) - Jalen Smith PF/C (MD) - The Knicks were near the bottom of the league in terms of 3PT attempts and percentage this past season. Adding Smith would be a great fit for the Knicks, as his "3 & rim protection" archetype is very valuable. In addition to being a solid backup to Robinson, Sitx should also help open up the floor for RJ Barrett and others.
  28. TOR - Grant Riller PG (COFC) - There are no guarantees that Fred VanVleet will be with the Raptors next year, and Lowry’s contract is also coming to an end after next season. Enter Riller, who would be ready to contribute now to one of the best teams in the league and who will certainly make their offense more potent with his ability to get to the rim and finish, which is unparalleled in this class.
  29. LAL - Devon Dotson PG (KU) - The Lakers have struggled to find a backup point guard who can reliably run their offense when LeBron isn’t in the game. Though Dotson might not be the consistent decision-maker or facilitator that you might want from that position, he has a multitude ways to impact the game and can get to the basket incredibly well, which is another thing their offense lacked this year outside of their top talent. They can bolster their backcourt in the short term while simultaneously adding a piece that can help them in the future.
  30. BOS (via MIL) - Xavier Tillman PF/C (MSU) - The Celtics lack size in their frontcourt (Both Theis and Williams are under 6'11") and 6'8" Xavier Tillman does not solve that issue, but he can provide a lot of what Horford provided them in the past. He is the smartest defender in the class and will add physical strength to the interior of their defense. He’s also the best screen setter in the class in my opinion, to go along with his above average passing and ball handling for a big. If they can teach him to shoot, then Celtics will have acquired a very useful and versatile frontcourt piece.
  31. DAL (via GS) - Robert Woodard II SF (MSST) - Though I’m not the biggest fan of Woodard, he is ranked in the top 25 on ESPN and top 30 on The Ringer, so it’s doubtful that he falls far outside the first round in a draft that lacks depth in terms of second round wings. He fills a position of need for the Mavericks and can provide more spacing for Luka alongside Kleber and DFS, as well as potentially aid their defense on the wing.
  32. CHA (via CLE) - Isaiah Joe SG (ARK) - Potentially a bit of a reach considering he sits at 60th on ESPN’s board, but Joe’s stock seems like it might be on the rise as of late (and justifiably so, imo). Adding a shooter of Joe’s caliber could greatly improve Charlotte’s offense both in the short and long term and could add another scoring threat on the perimeter that they could benefit from.
  33. MIN - Paul Reed PF/C (DEP) - After committing wholeheartedly to the offensive end of the court with their first two picks, the Timberwolves grab possibly the best defensive player left on the board and someone who can fit really well next to Towns. His shot blocking ability should translate well and his general athleticism could enable him to play the 4 or the 5 at the NBA level. KAT’s spacing might make it less essential for Reed to develop a reliable jumpshot as well.
  34. PHI (via ATL) - Tyler Bey SF/PF (COLO) - Tyler Bey adds another athletic body to the Sixers frontcourt. There are some questions about how his shot will translate, but his leaping ability and high IQ will still allow him to be an effective player in their offense as a cutter. Having him on the floor with Horford, Thybulle, and Simmons could allow for an incredibly formidable and switchable defense that could hold leads with Embiid on the bench.
  35. SAC (via DET) - Daniel Oturu C (MINN) - With Harry Giles hitting free agency, Dwayne Dedmond getting traded, and some reasons to be concerned about Richaun Holmes’ durability, it makes sense for the Kings to invest in a big man who can grab rebounds, potentially space the floor, and add some depth. Though I am skeptical of Oturu’s defensive IQ and his offensive projection at the next level, he can slide into a fairly comfortable role with Sacramento where he doesn’t have a ton of responsibility.
  36. PHI (via NY) - Killian Tillie PF/C (GONZ) - With their third pick, the 76ers add one of the smartest players in the entire class. The injury concerns are evident, but it wouldn’t be a Sixers season without a rookie missing significant time due to injury. His floor spacing and passing abilities would greatly help Simmons, and Tillie could prove to be a valuable backup to Embiid should the Sixers try to move on from Horford.
  37. WAS (via CHI) - Nico Mannion PG (ARIZ) - If the NBA season starts around December or January, John Wall would be coming back to basketball after having missed nearly 2 full years of play due to an injury that may zap him of some of his athleticism, his most valuable attribute. Adding Mannion as a solid backup point guard who has shown some ability, particularly at lower levels, to play off the ball, could be a prudent move by Washington. If they choose to move on from either Beal or Wall, Mannion could step into the starting lineup, where they could benefit from his passing creativity, solid decision-making, and off-ball value. If they can straighten out his shot and work on his physical strength, they could be getting a 1st round quality talent in the 2nd round.
  38. NY (via CHA) - Cassius Stanley SG/SF (DUKE) - Stanley is a fairly high-risk prospect given how raw his game is, but there are reasons to be optimistic about his outside shooting, a skill that the Knicks desperately need. Add to that his ridiculous vertical explosiveness and the Knicks could end up with a competent wing player with top-tier athleticism that will help their team-building pursuits and get fans more excited, provided the Knicks are able to develop him properly, which is a big if given their track record and Stanley's age (he'll be 21 on draft day despite only being a freshman).
  39. NO (via WAS) - Jahmi'us Ramsey SG (TTU) - With JJ Redick probably not being in the Pelicans’ long-term plans, it makes sense to bring in a guard who has had success as a catch-and-shoot 3PT shooter. He doesn’t move super well off the ball, is a negative on defense, and doesn’t shoot especially well off the dribble, but getting him into an NBA system with a number of other creators around him could help him hone his skills as a 3PT specialist with some offensive upside due to his athleticism.
  40. MEM (via PHX) - Ty-Shon Alexander SG (CREI) - Possibly a reach (ranked 91st overall by ESPN), but I think this is a pick Memphis might be willing to make. ESPN is certainly underrating him at 91st due to his potential as a solid 3 & D prospect with some ball-handling upside. Memphis has also done a great job in acquiring young talent over the past few years, as Brandon Clarke, De’Anthony Melton, John Konchar, and Marko Gudurić have all been contributors despite being somewhat under the radar, and the risk they took on Jontay Porter makes me confident in their front office when it comes to finding undervalued young talent. Adding a shooter like Alexander could help to round out Memphis’ young core very nicely.
  41. SA - Elijah Hughes SG/SF (CUSE) - After grabbing the youngest American prospect in the draft in Williams, the Spurs should look to add a competent, experienced wing in Hughes who can help space the floor and may have some upside as a shot creator. Hughes could realistically get a decent amount of minutes as a rookie and has the chance to be a solid offensive contributor. His defensive ability is a bit hard to evaluate because he played in a zone with Syracuse, but I trust Pop to get him to buy in on that end.
  42. NO - Zeke Nnaji C (ARIZ) - It’s very possible that the Pelicans trade the pick or go with an international player, but Nnaji could be a very solid center for them. Between he and Jaxson Hayes, the Pelicans will have a ton of versatility in terms of the defensive coverages they can run due to their mobility. If Nnaji can be a realistic floor spacer, then there is good reason to believe he could even get starting minutes later in his career once Favors is gone.
  43. SAC - Tre Jones PG (DUKE) - Tre might not make the eye-popping plays that will win you the game, but he won’t lose you the game either, as he will play good defense at the point of attack and he won’t turn the ball over. Yogi Ferrell’s contract expires after this year and Cory Joseph’s contract isn’t guaranteed after next year. Tre could easily slide into the backup point guard role and fill that role perfectly. Adding both Tre and Maxey might not be ideal due to their lack of size, but both are good players who can help the Kings in the short and long term.
  44. POR - Reggie Perry PF (MSST) - For a Portland team that seems to already have its backcourt figured out barring a CJ trade, it makes sense to add to their frontcourt, especially considering the injuries they suffered through this year. At least in theory, Bey should be able to play the 3 or the 4 and Perry should be able to play the 4 or the 5. Perry may be able to be used as a passing hub on the offensive end, or to play a similar role to Caleb Swanigan, should they choose to move on from him.
  45. ORL - Cassius Winston PG (MSU) - Double dipping at PG might not be the best decision, but Winston and Lewis fill different roles. Winston’s outside shooting is something the Magic could be lacking in the future, particularly if Fournier doesn’t re-sign. Winston also proved to be a great PnR playmaker with Tillman this year, and I expect him to have similar levels of success at the NBA level off the bench with Gordon, Vucevic, or even Bamba. Though they probably won’t ever play together, Winston and Lewis could be a very interesting contrast of offensive styles.
  46. BOS (via BKN) - Nate Hinton SG/SF (HOU) - Hinton is probably not viewed by most as a mid-2nd rounder, I see him as another good value pick for Boston. He competes hard on every possession and has great defensive instincts which show in his ability to get into passing lanes. He is one of the best rebounders at 6'6" or shorter that we’ve seen in the draft in a long time. He’s probably a 2-way guy his first year in the league, but if his shot can consistently fall, he could be one of the more valuable second rounders in this draft.
  47. CHI (via MEM) - Skylar Mays SG/SF (LSU) - Mays has improved a bunch as an outside shooter and has some real value as a defender. For a team that could really benefit from a mature, solid 3 & D player, Mays fits right in and could provide value immediately off the bench for a team that could stand to add one or two more competent wings. He’s also very crafty and could have some on-ball value for them as well.
  48. GS (via DAL) - Malachi Flynn PG (SDSU) - The Warriors don’t run a ton of traditional PnR, which might make it hard to fit Flynn onto the Warriors, but he can provide another offensive avenue for the Warriors to score, as he is one of the best PnR guards in this draft. The idea of him playing next to Klay with Steph on the bench is a really exciting one in particular. His shotmaking could be really valuable and he could improve their bench, which looked weak this year.
  49. PHI - Jordan Nwora SF (LOU) - If Nwora were just an average shooter, he probably wouldn’t even be a G-League caliber player; he doesn’t have a lot of tools outside of his shooting, in my view. For the Sixers, though, there is nothing wrong with taking a 3-point specialist given how desperately they need outside shooting. Given the talent they have at other positions, they can make up for his deficiencies and allow him to just make shots.
  50. IND - Naji Marshall SF (XAV) - I doubt Naji Marshall will get drafted, but this is one of my favorite fits in the second round. He really improved his 3PT shooting as the year went on and has some creation equity off the dribble. He has good touch around the rim and has shown some finishing ability. He’s one of the better wing defenders in the draft and may realistically be able to guard 1-4, making him a great fit for Indiana, a team that desperately needs a wing stopper.
  51. OKC - Vernon Carey Jr. C (DUKE) - 51 is low for Carey, but I found it hard to justify selecting him earlier because he needs a specific situation to succeed. In OKC, he can get real minutes at center where he plays a role in their offense, where he can utilize his post scoring and face-up game to create for himself. He’s an underrated passer and someone who can provide real value in the regular season as a bench big.
  52. ATL (via HOU) - Jared Butler PG (BAY) - Butler doesn’t solve any of Atlanta’s defensive issues, but he’s still a good pick nonetheless. One of the better players available at this slot and someone who can provide real self-creation value when Trae isn’t in the game, which the Hawks lack. Atlanta shot a league-worst 33.3% from 3, so adding Butler to their thin backcourt rotation should improve that number.
  53. SAC (via MIA) - Boriša Simanić PF (KLS) - With their 4th pick in the draft, the Kings will probably take a draft-and-stash candidate. Simanić is a solid stretch big with really high level shotmaking instincts. He could potentially fill a role similar to Bjelica should the Kings move on from him in the future, and if Simanić can be more aggressive offensively and improve defensively, he could be a welcome addition to their frontcourt.
  54. GS (via UTAH) - Mamadi Diakite PF/C (UVA) - After addressing the backcourt with their first 2 picks, the Warriors grab a mature stretch big who can help them win now and fits very well next to Draymond. His defensive versatility should allow him to stay on the floor in the playoffs, and he knows what it takes to win a championship. His shooting will open the floor for Wiggins, Edwards, and Draymond as well.
  55. BKN (via DEN) - Immanuel Quickley SG (UK) - Quickley’s high-level shooting projection makes him an enticing prospect at this point in the draft. Although he lacks the creation ability desired from that position and could struggle on defense at the next level, the shooting will prove to be valuable, particularly if the Nets cannot re-sign Joe Harris.
  56. CHA (via BOS) - Mason Jones SF (ARK) - After selecting his Arkansas teammate at the start of the second round, the Hornets grab one of the more unique prospects in the draft to add some wing depth. Jones gets to the rim exceptionally well for someone with his athletic ability (or lack thereof) and can provide another avenue for offensive production for Charlotte with his on-ball creation.
  57. LAC - Udoka Azubuike C (KU) - One of the biggest weaknesses in the Clippers roster is their lack of a true rim protector. Though Azubuike may not get much playing time during high leverage moments, his size and shot-blocking capability should be attractive for the Clippers and can allow them to play different coverages that they otherwise wouldn’t have access to. He is fairly polished already and should be ready to contribute in a small role right away as a lob threat and rim protector.
  58. TOR - Kaleb Wesson PF/C (OSU) - With both Gasol and Ibaka hitting free agency this offseason, the Raptors should look to add to their frontcourt. Wesson doesn’t project to be an intimidating paint presence or top-tier shot blocker, but he’s a versatile player on both ends of the court with a fairly enticing shooting projection as far as the bigs in this draft are concerned and could allow the Raptors to play a different style of offense and open the floor up for Siakam, Anunoby, and Riller in the future.
  59. PHI (via LAL) - Rokas Jokubaitis PG/SG (LKL) - This is their 5th pick of the draft, so it is only natural that the Sixers will look overseas. I view Jokubaitis as the best 2nd round draft & stash prospect and he’s someone who will fit into Philadelphia’s future plans very well, as he can play either next to Simmons or as the primary initiator due to his combination of off-the-dribble shot-creating and decent playmaking chops.
  60. NO (via MIL) - Abdoulaye N’Doye PG/SG (LNB) - With their 4th pick of the draft, the Pelicans should also look overseas. Though there is an argument for other talented foreign prospects, N’Doye is the one who should excite New Orleans the most. Kalaitzakis and Simonović are among those worth a look here, but N’Doye’s passing, ball-handling, and defensive versatility give him the edge.

Mock Draft Results by team (& my personal grades)
Atlantic:
Celtics - Aleksej Pokuševski (17), Leandro Bolmaro (26), Xavier Tillman (30), Nate Hinton (46); GRADE: A-
Nets - Josh Green (20), Immanuel Quickley (55); GRADE: B
Knicks - Tyrese Haliburton (6), Jalen Smith (27), Cassius Stanley (38); GRADE: C+
76ers - Tyrell Terry (22), Tyler Bey (34), Killian Tillie (36), Jordan Nwora (49), Rokas Jokubaitis (59); GRADE: A-
Raptors - Grant Riller (28), Kaleb Wesson (58); GRADE: A-

Central:
Bulls - Obi Toppin (7), Skylar Mays (47); GRADE: B-
Cavaliers - James Wiseman (2); GRADE: C
Pistons - Killian Hayes (5); GRADE: B+
Pacers - Naji Marshall (50); GRADE: B+
Bucks - RJ Hampton (19); GRADE: A

Southeast:
Hawks - Deni Avdija (4), Jared Butler (52); GRADE: B-
Hornets - Onyeka Okongwu (8), Isaiah Joe (32), Mason Jones (56); GRADE: A-
Heat - Théo Maledon (23); GRADE: B+
Magic - Kira Lewis Jr. (15), Cassius Winston (45); GRADE: B+
Wizards - Isaac Okoro (9), Nico Mannion (37); GRADE: B+

Northwest:
Nuggets - Jaden McDaniels (21); GRADE: B
Timberwolves - LaMelo Ball (3), Aaron Nesmith (16), Paul Reed (33); GRADE: B+
Thunder - Desmond Bane (25), Vernon Carey Jr. (51); GRADE: B+
Trail Blazers - Saddiq Bey (14), Reggie Perry (44); GRADE: B-
Jazz - Isaiah Stewart (24); GRADE: D+

Southwest:
Mavericks - Precious Achiuwa (18), Robert Woodard II (31); GRADE: B-
Rockets - N/A; GRADE: N/A
Grizzlies - Ty-Shon Alexander (40); GRADE: B+
Pelicans- Cole Anthony (13), Jahmi’us Ramsey (39), Zeke Nnaji (42), Abdoulaye N’Doye (60); GRADE: B+
Spurs - Patrick Williams (11), Elijah Hughes (41); GRADE: B+

Pacific:
Warriors - Anthony Edwards (1), Malachi Flynn (48), Mamadi Diakite (54); GRADE: B+
Clippers - Udoka Azubuike (57); GRADE: C+
Lakers - Devon Dotson (29); GRADE: B
Suns - Devin Vassell (10); GRADE: A-
Kings - Tyrese Maxey (12), Daniel Oturu (35), Tre Jones (43), Boriša Simanić (53); GRADE: B-
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Would you rather take a risk on the Prospect or pick the Rookie Version of an established player

During most NBA drafts, teams must decide if they want to gamble on a player’s upside, or take a safer player with a lower ceiling. A front office may risk it all by trying to develop a player into a superstar while passing up on the chance to draft a player with a solid floor and lower ceiling. However, sometimes teams draft the “safe pick” and pass up on getting someone like Giannis or Siakam. It’s a difficult job, but what if every GM had the chance to give them a glimpse into the future of another prospect they could take instead.
Hypothetically, 14 GMs were given a choice to draft a prospect from the 2020 draft, or another prospect that would replicate a formecurrent player.
Your Task:
Pick a player you would rather have on each team:
A.) The Prospect
or
B.) The Current/Former Player
If you choose the prospect, you have faith that prospect will be better than that current/former player ever would be.
If you choose the Current/Former player, that player would enter the draft same age as he was when he entered the draft in the real world. While you know what that player will develop into, his success would vary depending on the team he’s on and the era he’s playing in.
EXAMPLE:
Anthony Edwards or Michael Jordan
You pick Jordan, because Jordan’s peak Edwards will never reach.
EXAMPLE 2:
Anthony Edwards or Pat Connaughton
You pick Edwards because Edwards will most likely develop way better than Connaughton ever will.

Choose the prospect or the player

GSW: Anthony Edwards or CJ McCollum
CLE: Obi Toppin or Josh Smith
MIN: Lamelo Ball or Hedo Turkoglu
ATL: James Wiseman or Raef LaFrentz
DET: Killian Hayes or George Hill
NYK: Devin Vassell or Terrence Ross
CHA: Onyeka Okongwu or Tristan Thompson
WAS: Deni Ajvida or Shane Battier
PHX: Issac Okoro or Wilson Chandler
SAS Cole Anthony or Jeff Teague
SAC: Precious Achiwua or Ersan Illyasova
NOP: Aaron Nesmith or Aaron Afflalo
POR: Daniel Oturu or Taj Gibson
My Answers:
1.) WARRIORS
Anthony Edwards or CJ McCollum
I’d bet on Edwards being the better player. Edwards has insane athleticism and core strength to match with incredible range and scoring instincts. I don’t think Edwards will be as good as a finisher or ball handler as CJ, but Edwards will likely be a better defender than CJ. Passing up on McCollum would be difficult because he is the perfect second option your team can ask for, and has proven to be one of the best scorers in the league.
2.) CAVALIERS
Obi Toppin or Josh Smith
Tough one, leaning more on taking J Smoove. Both prospects are tweeners, but I believe Josh Smith would excel if he wasn’t forced to play in a league where he’d be considered a small forward. Toppin is the better three point shooter, and has a better interior game, Josh Smith would be able to defend on the perimeter while being a good defender inside.
3.) TIMBERWOLVES
LaMelo Ball or Hedo Turkoglu
I personally would go with Hedo. LaMelo has a super high ceiling, but I would rather add a lethal stretch 4 who would benefit any system and not worry about the chance of LaMelo doesn’t reach his potential. What scares me are LaMelo’s wild shot mechanics, and he hasn’t faced any elite competition, however he likely will be an elite playmaker.
4.) HAWKS
James Wiseman or Raef LaFrentz
I’d take LaFrentz. Wiseman is an insane athlete with a nice shooting touch, but many of these cats have never gotten the chance to watch what Raef could do. Raef was a 39% three point shooter who averaged 3 blocks per game at one point in his career. Given modern day training and medicine, Raef would have a longer career. Wiseman however has more defensive potential, as well as being a slightly better rebounder, so I could go either way
5.) PISTONS
Killian Hayes or George Hill
Hayes makes a lot of mistakes, may not be a consistent shooter, but he is a really good athlete given his size. Hayes has the potential to be a better version of Lonzo. However, Hill gives your team the stability of a PG who will give you above average-average results night in and night out. Hill’s game also has aged fine and has become one of the most consistent knock down shooters in the league.
6.) KNICKS
Devin Vassell or Terrence Ross
Both players are ridiculous athletes, and I think the right move is taking Devin Vassell. Vassell is a good all around player who is a better defender than Ross, and a better shot creator than him. Ross however is a better finisher around the rim and a better knock down shooter. Vassell I believe has the potential to be a Khris Middleton esque player and his chances of being a bust is low.
7.) BULLS
Tyrese Haliburton or Jeremy Lin
Both PGs are athletic slashers with a knack for scoring. I’m going with Lin because at his peak Lin was able to be able to create his own shot, where Haliburton is not a threat to take an off dribble three or contested. Lin is likely the better passer, while both are good defenders. Haliburton has potential to be the better defender given his length, and Haliburton’s length also makes him a better fastbreak scoring threat.
8.) HORNETS
Onyeka Okongwu or Tristan Thompson
Both players are undersized centers who can’t shoot, and both guys are insane athletes. Thompson may be the better rebounder but Onyeka I believe will be a more effective offensive player. Onyeka shows a lot of flashes of quickness in the post, and like Tristan is dangerous in the pick and roll. Thompson is more of a lob threat. Onyeka is likely the better rim protector.
9.) WIZARDS
Deni Avdija or Shane Battier
Both of these guys have high IQs and well rounded games. I’m giving the slight edge to Battier because Battier won some All Defensive accolades. Battier is a good knock down shooter who can make smart passes and defend multiple positions. Deni has good defensive potential, is an above average playmaker, can hit some three pointers, and is a bette finisher at the rim than Shane. Deni is a bit of a master of none, but with time to develop he could be one of the best players in the class. Still, I wouldn’t be comfortable sleeping at night knowing I could have a solid offensive contributor who could be an elite defender for years to come.
10.) SUNS
Issac Okoro or Wilson Chandler
Chandler is one of the more underrated players of the 2000s but I’m more comfortable taking the risk in Okoro. Okoro is one of the best athletes in the drafts who is able to defend 1-4 at an NBA level already. Okoro is a good finisher with both hands, but has some jumpshot woes. Chandler became an average shooter as he progressed, and has been a two way solid wing for many years in the league. I wouldn’t blame anyone who wants the consistency Chandler has.
11.) SPURS
Cole Anthony or Jeff Teague
Anthony was mocked in a lot of top 5s before the season and after his injury and UNC finishing last in the ACC he’s slipped. While Anthony has all star potential, I have to go with Teague. To describe Cole Anthony’s game is like Jordan Clarkson cosplaying as Lillard. Anthony has a lot of toughness and athleticism, but he’s inconsistent. Anthony takes wicked inefficient shots and tries to put the team on his back when his team is struggling. With Teague you know you are going to get an above average guard who is able to make the right decision and play solid defense on the other end. I’d rather rest assured that my PG will bring stability to an offense. Anthony with the right tutelage could become an all star one day. He has the tools to be a Mike Conley esque player if he learns to take smarter shots.
12.) KINGS
Precious Achiuwa or Ersan Illyasova
Both guys are good defenders at the PF position with different skillsets. Precious is better rebounder and athlete and finisher, but Ersan’s ability to consistently knock down jumpers consistently and play solid defense throughput his career is a thing I cannot pass up on. Ersan is a smart defender who con’t be able to block shots like Precious, but avoids getting into foul trouble. Precious is a tweener who has potential to be a 3 and D guy, but his 55% clip at the free throw line is a bit concerning. I wouldn’t judge anyone taking Precious though, because he’s a project if given enough time can become a solid starter in the league
13.) PELICANS
Aaron Nesmith or Aaron Afflalo
Both sharpshooters, I’d take a gamble that Nesmith becomes the better player. Nesmith is longer than Afflalo, a likely better defender, and more of a dynamic shot creator. Last year Nesmith shooting at 52% from three on 8.2 attempts is insane, however he only played 14 games against Mid Majors. I think near the end of the lottery, I’m more comfortable taking a risk, but it would be difficult to pass up on Afflalo because he has proven to be able to score at an efficient level for many years in the league.
14.) BLAZERS
Daniel Oturu or Taj Gibson
Both athletic, all around centers, I’d take a gamble on Oturu. Oturu was the best rim protector in college basketball, and went up against a Big Ten conference with some of the best centers in the country. Oturu relied a lot on his strength to get buckets, but he is still pretty athletic. Oturu shown flashes of developing an outside/mid range game, but it isn’t as consistent as Taj from mid range. Gibson from the jump was able to start 70 games while putting up solid numbers, but never has been able to do anything more or less than being solid. There is a possibility that Oturu isn’t able to translate his dominance in college to the pros, so I wouldn’t blame anyone for taking Gibson
TLDR
PROSPECT (7) PLAYER (7)
Edwards > McCollum
Toppin < Smith
Ball < Turkoglu
Wiseman < LaFrentz
Hayes > Hill
Vassell > Ross
Haliburton < Lin
Okongwu > Thompson
Avjida < Battier
Okoro > Chandler
Anthony < Teague
Achiuwa < Illyasova
Nesmith > Afflalo
Oturu > Gibson
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[OC] Choose which player you would rather have: The Prospect or the Established Player

During most NBA drafts, teams must decide if they want to gamble on a player’s upside, or take a safer player with a lower ceiling. A front office may risk it all by trying to develop a player into a superstar while passing up on the chance to draft a player with a solid floor and lower ceiling. However, sometimes teams draft the “safe pick” and pass up on getting someone like Giannis or Siakam. It’s a difficult job, but what if every GM had the chance to give them a glimpse into the future of another prospect they could take instead.
Hypothetically, 14 GMs were given a choice to draft a prospect from the 2020 draft, or another prospect that would replicate a formecurrent player.
Your Task:
Pick a player you would rather have on each team:
A.) The Prospect
or
B.) The Current/Former Player
If you choose the prospect, you have faith that prospect will be better than that current/former player ever would be.
If you choose the Current/Former player, that player would enter the draft same age as he was when he entered the draft in the real world. While you know what that player will develop into, his success would vary depending on the team he’s on and the era he’s playing in.
EXAMPLE:
Anthony Edwards or Michael Jordan
You pick Jordan, because Jordan’s peak Edwards will never reach.
EXAMPLE 2:
Anthony Edwards or Pat Connaughton
You pick Edwards because Edwards will most likely develop way better than Connaughton ever will.

Choose the prospect or the player

GSW: Anthony Edwards or CJ McCollum
CLE: Obi Toppin or Josh Smith
MIN: Lamelo Ball or Hedo Turkoglu
ATL: James Wiseman or Raef LaFrentz
DET: Killian Hayes or George Hill
NYK: Devin Vassell or Terrence Ross
CHA: Onyeka Okongwu or Tristan Thompson
WAS: Deni Ajvida or Shane Battier
PHX: Issac Okoro or Wilson Chandler
SAS Cole Anthony or Jeff Teague
SAC: Precious Achiwua or Ersan Illyasova
NOP: Aaron Nesmith or Aaron Afflalo
POR: Daniel Oturu or Taj Gibson
My Answers:
1.) WARRIORS
Anthony Edwards or CJ McCollum
I’d bet on Edwards being the better player. Edwards has insane athleticism and core strength to match with incredible range and scoring instincts. I don’t think Edwards will be as good as a finisher or ball handler as CJ, but Edwards will likely be a better defender than CJ. Passing up on McCollum would be difficult because he is the perfect second option your team can ask for, and has proven to be one of the best scorers in the league.
2.) CAVALIERS
Obi Toppin or Josh Smith
Tough one, leaning more on taking J Smoove. Both prospects are tweeners, but I believe Josh Smith would excel if he wasn’t forced to play in a league where he’d be considered a small forward. Toppin is the better three point shooter, and has a better interior game, Josh Smith would be able to defend on the perimeter while being a good defender inside.
3.) TIMBERWOLVES
LaMelo Ball or Hedo Turkoglu
I personally would go with Hedo. LaMelo has a super high ceiling, but I would rather add a lethal stretch 4 who would benefit any system and not worry about the chance of LaMelo doesn’t reach his potential. What scares me are LaMelo’s wild shot mechanics, and he hasn’t faced any elite competition, however he likely will be an elite playmaker.
4.) HAWKS
James Wiseman or Raef LaFrentz
I’d take LaFrentz. Wiseman is an insane athlete with a nice shooting touch, but many of these cats have never gotten the chance to watch what Raef could do. Raef was a 39% three point shooter who averaged 3 blocks per game at one point in his career. Given modern day training and medicine, Raef would have a longer career. Wiseman however has more defensive potential, as well as being a slightly better rebounder, so I could go either way
5.) PISTONS
Killian Hayes or George Hill
Hayes makes a lot of mistakes, may not be a consistent shooter, but he is a really good athlete given his size. Hayes has the potential to be a better version of Lonzo. However, Hill gives your team the stability of a PG who will give you above average-average results night in and night out. Hill’s game also has aged fine and has become one of the most consistent knock down shooters in the league.
6.) KNICKS
Devin Vassell or Terrence Ross
Both players are ridiculous athletes, and I think the right move is taking Devin Vassell. Vassell is a good all around player who is a better defender than Ross, and a better shot creator than him. Ross however is a better finisher around the rim and a better knock down shooter. Vassell I believe has the potential to be a Khris Middleton esque player and his chances of being a bust is low.
7.) BULLS
Tyrese Haliburton or Jeremy Lin
Both PGs are athletic slashers with a knack for scoring. I’m going with Lin because at his peak Lin was able to be able to create his own shot, where Haliburton is not a threat to take an off dribble three or contested. Lin is likely the better passer, while both are good defenders. Haliburton has potential to be the better defender given his length, and Haliburton’s length also makes him a better fastbreak scoring threat.
8.) HORNETS
Onyeka Okongwu or Tristan Thompson
Both players are undersized centers who can’t shoot, and both guys are insane athletes. Thompson may be the better rebounder but Onyeka I believe will be a more effective offensive player. Onyeka shows a lot of flashes of quickness in the post, and like Tristan is dangerous in the pick and roll. Thompson is more of a lob threat. Onyeka is likely the better rim protector.
9.) WIZARDS
Deni Avdija or Shane Battier
Both of these guys have high IQs and well rounded games. I’m giving the slight edge to Battier because Battier won some All Defensive accolades. Battier is a good knock down shooter who can make smart passes and defend multiple positions. Deni has good defensive potential, is an above average playmaker, can hit some three pointers, and is a bette finisher at the rim than Shane. Deni is a bit of a master of none, but with time to develop he could be one of the best players in the class. Still, I wouldn’t be comfortable sleeping at night knowing I could have a solid offensive contributor who could be an elite defender for years to come.
10.) SUNS
Issac Okoro or Wilson Chandler
Chandler is one of the more underrated players of the 2000s but I’m more comfortable taking the risk in Okoro. Okoro is one of the best athletes in the drafts who is able to defend 1-4 at an NBA level already. Okoro is a good finisher with both hands, but has some jumpshot woes. Chandler became an average shooter as he progressed, and has been a two way solid wing for many years in the league. I wouldn’t blame anyone who wants the consistency Chandler has.
11.) SPURS
Cole Anthony or Jeff Teague
Anthony was mocked in a lot of top 5s before the season and after his injury and UNC finishing last in the ACC he’s slipped. While Anthony has all star potential, I have to go with Teague. To describe Cole Anthony’s game is like Jordan Clarkson cosplaying as Lillard. Anthony has a lot of toughness and athleticism, but he’s inconsistent. Anthony takes wicked inefficient shots and tries to put the team on his back when his team is struggling. With Teague you know you are going to get an above average guard who is able to make the right decision and play solid defense on the other end. I’d rather rest assured that my PG will bring stability to an offense. Anthony with the right tutelage could become an all star one day. He has the tools to be a Mike Conley esque player if he learns to take smarter shots.
12.) KINGS
Precious Achiuwa or Ersan Illyasova
Both guys are good defenders at the PF position with different skillsets. Precious is better rebounder and athlete and finisher, but Ersan’s ability to consistently knock down jumpers consistently and play solid defense throughput his career is a thing I cannot pass up on. Ersan is a smart defender who con’t be able to block shots like Precious, but avoids getting into foul trouble. Precious is a tweener who has potential to be a 3 and D guy, but his 55% clip at the free throw line is a bit concerning. I wouldn’t judge anyone taking Precious though, because he’s a project if given enough time can become a solid starter in the league
13.) PELICANS
Aaron Nesmith or Aaron Afflalo
Both sharpshooters, I’d take a gamble that Nesmith becomes the better player. Nesmith is longer than Afflalo, a likely better defender, and more of a dynamic shot creator. Last year Nesmith shooting at 52% from three on 8.2 attempts is insane, however he only played 14 games against Mid Majors. I think near the end of the lottery, I’m more comfortable taking a risk, but it would be difficult to pass up on Afflalo because he has proven to be able to score at an efficient level for many years in the league.
14.) BLAZERS
Daniel Oturu or Taj Gibson
Both athletic, all around centers, I’d take a gamble on Oturu. Oturu was the best rim protector in college basketball, and went up against a Big Ten conference with some of the best centers in the country. Oturu relied a lot on his strength to get buckets, but he is still pretty athletic. Oturu shown flashes of developing an outside/mid range game, but it isn’t as consistent as Taj from mid range. Gibson from the jump was able to start 70 games while putting up solid numbers, but never has been able to do anything more or less than being solid. There is a possibility that Oturu isn’t able to translate his dominance in college to the pros, so I wouldn’t blame anyone for taking Gibson
TLDR
PROSPECT (7) PLAYER (7)
Edwards < McCollum
Toppin < Smith
Ball < Turkoglu
Wiseman < LaFrentz
Hayes > Hill
Vassell > Ross
Haliburton < Lin
Okongwu > Thompson
Avjida < Battier
Okoro > Chandler
Anthony < Teague
Achiuwa < Illyasova
Nesmith > Afflalo
Oturu > Gibson
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