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Summary of the FOOTBALL LEAKS (biggest leak in sports history)

Hi guys, I just read all the Football Leaks articles on Spiegel so far and made a bit of a summary, since I am sure most of you don't want to read everything (the summary is still long, but way shorter than the articles, believe me).
So for who is not informed, German newspaper and investigators Spiegel, together with lots of other newspapers did investigate and research the (second part of the) documents they received from Football Leaks, a portuguese hackergroup. This is 3,4TB of data which means about 70 million documents. They published the first articles, but there are many more to come in the next few weeks. More coming also on the topics doping, betting fraud and racism.

Man City:
In 2013 former French President Nicolas Sarkozy tried to raise money with the help of ManCity president Khaldoon Al Mubarak. A year later when ManCity was investigated by UEFA for FFP violation, Al Mubarak asked Sarkozy for help, who spoke with FIFA president Infantino. In the last 7 years Abu Dhabi has injected €2.7 billion into ManCity. In 2016 Infantino chose to directly negotiate an agreement with ManCity, and therefore bypassing the investigating chamber of UEFA. Between 2009 and 2011 ManCity has made a loss of €451M. ManCity threatened to take legal action against UEFA, if they would make them pay a penalty. 2014 the president of the investigating company of the UEFA recommended to exclude ManCity from the Championsleague. Infantino intervened and negotiated with City manager (and ex Barça VP) Ferran Soriano. Infantino actually told Soriano that he should make a proposal for the fine they would have to pay, so that it looks like FFP is still intact. In the end they settled on a $60m fine, which then Al Mubarak refused to pay. Infantino intervened again to make the fine drop to 20m, which UEFA investigating chamber initially refused to agree to. PSG was angry that ManCity's fine would be lowered, so the UEFA president promised PSG that their fine would also go down to 20m, while lying to Abu Dhabi that PSG's fine would be much higher than theirs. Since that agreement ManCity have spent €700m on new players. ManCity Secretary General Simon Cliff wrote after the death of one of the investigation chamber members in an email "one has fallen, there are six left."
EDIT (05.11.18): Additional Info
The year FFP was introduced, ManCity spent 9.9M pounds too much, apparently because of the termination of Mancini's contract. The only solution according to an Email where Chief Financial Officer Jorge Chumillas wrote "an additional amount of Abu Dhabi sponsorship revenues, that covers this gap". CEO Ferran Soriano suggested having sponsors pay the amounts they have to pay for the victory of the FA cup, even though ManCity had not won the FA cup. Ten days later many different apparently according to City "fully independent" sponsorship deals were adjusted, Etihad paying 1.5M more, Aabar 0.5M more, and the tourism authority 5.5M more than the deals they negotiated at the begin of the season. When Chumillas asked Simon Pearce if the dates of the sponsorship deals could be modified the answer was "of course, we can do what we want". Already in 2010 ManCity made a 15M deal with Aabar, who according to an email from Simon Pearce would only pay 3M, the rest comes from quote "his highness" (the sheikh). In December 2013 Pearce wrote that Etihad's (mainsponsor) contribution is 8M. According to the contract it should have been 35M. In 2015 Etihad officially had to pay 67.5M pounds per year, but inoficially they were still paying just 8M, the rest coming from the Abu Dhabi United Group, who give companies like Etihad the money to then give it to ManCity, so that everything appears in order.
Edit (06.11.18): Additional info from a new article
Another plan get Abu Dhabi money to the club was called "Project Longbow" (because the English used longbows to beat the French [in this context UEFA president Platini] at Crecy and Agincourt). This meant using parallel companies like Fordham to outsource the cost of image rights. 2013 ManCity sold the image rights of the players to the company that would later be called Fordham Sports Image Rights, which is attached to a company in the British Virgin Islands. This way money from Abu Dhabi could be injected. Officially Fordham paid players, without receiving anything themselves which UEFA investigators found suspicious, ManCity claimed that Fordham is an independent company and they don't know their business plan but agreed to the deal because it came at a good price. ManCity have recently stopped selling the image rights of their players, but Fordham still exists and has made in 2017 total losses 75M pounds.
Edit (07.11.18): Additional info
Pep Guardiola signed the contract with ManCity already in October 2015, 2 months after his last season with Bayern started. His salary in his first season with ManCity was 13.5M pounds, in his second it is 16.75M. Several weeks later a journalist from Sunday Mirror wrote that Guardiola has met with ManCity director of football Txiki Begiristain in Barcelona to discuss a possible deal. At this moment the deal was already long signed. ManCity then said this is wrong information and told the newspaper to remove the article. ManCity also compiled a riskreport on a potential sponsor called Arabtec, who have a terrible human rights record in UAE. Their marketing team advised them to not accept the deal, because it would let City appear in a bad light, but they went through with the deal anyways, but made it only a regional deal, in those countries were democratic values and human rights are not always a priority.
Edit (10.11.18): Another part
Since 2010 Manchester City has invested over a million euros a year in the so called "Right to Dream Academy" which has it's locations in African countries like Ghana. These children get a good education, but have also to work and travel a lot, and some around the age of 10 for example said that they have only time to call their parents on weekends, because their training schedule is so packed. Manchester City documents are referring to that invested money as "venture capital". The main point is not to have them at some point play for Manchester City's first team, but to loan and sell them, to make profit. After FIFA implemented new years in the last years, ManCity had to make changes at that academy, for example the Academy leader has taken control over a Danish team called FC Nordsjaelland, so that the academy players from Ghana can come to Europe through that club. There is an agreement that the Danish club can't sell Right to Dream Academy players without ManCity's permission. For being the third party club in that affair, they get 25% of the transferfee.
Edit (10.11.18): Now this should be the last part about ManCity
In 2015 City tried to get De Bruyne for 50M, but VW Wolfsburg didn't want to sell, because Volkswagen doesn't need the money. ManCity were pressuring them and ultimately they sold him for 75M. A year later they both Bayern and ManCity tried to get Sané, but ManCity offered to 20 year old a salary of 24.5M pounds over 3 years. Spending money like that was possible because they were able to increase and back-date sponsoring contracts with companies from Abu Dhabi at will. Also the TV money helps, last year they received €170M from the league, which is for example 75% higher than what FC Bayern gets. This helps making it possible paying salaries like €11M/year for Gündogan or >18M for Aguero.
Already in 2009 they were studying how to make the most profit and came to the conclusion that it's not enough to own just one club, but instead create a global network of subsidiaries which makes it easier to bring in profits. Back then Roberto Mancini signed 2 contracts on the same day: as coach for ManCity and as "adviser" to the Al Jazira Sports and Cultural Club in the Arabian Gulf League, both clubs owned by Sheikh Mansour. ManCity paid him a salary of 1.45M pounds, but the Abu Dhabi club paid him an even higher salary extra of 1.75M per year.
To create such a network, they not only own Manchester City, New York City and Melbourne City but have also stakes in league teams in Uruguay, Spain and Japan. Also they have cooperation agreements with clubs in Scandinavia and with an African Youth academy. Uruguay because there are many quality footballers & the local teams have limited budgets, also they didn't need to pay any taxes on the profits from player transfers. The investment in Girona is so that ManCity's academy players can develop and play in competetive men's football.
In 2008 City was bought for 100M pounds, in 2015 a Chinese media company bought 13% of the stakes of the City Football Group for 265M pounds, which shows that the value of ManCity has increased by a factor of atleast 10 in the last 7 years and Sheikh Mansour believes that there can be created a way higher value from football than what has been established until now.

PSG:
PSG received in total €1.8 billion from Qatar. They were also close to being excluded from UCL, but Platini and Infantino covered it up. Nicolas Sarkozy told Emir of Qatar Tamim Al-Thani in a meeting in 2010 that if he bought PSG & launched a sports channel in France (BeIN Sports), that he would instruct Michel Platini to award Qatar the 2022 World Cup.
Edit (07.11.18): Mbappé's transfer to PSG
Contract details about Mbappé at PSG are revealed. In the summer 2017 he nearly signed for Real Madrid, who offered €180M. His father was worried about the competition he would have at Madrid with forwards such as Ronaldo, Benzema, Bale. At the beginning of August he then told Monaco he would sign for PSG, who also agreed to pay 180M. The contract demands were 5M upfront and a salary of a total of 50M net over 5 years. Also he would receive an extra 30k/month to pay for his personal staff. He also demanded that in case he would win the Balon d'Or, his salary would rise so far, that he is the highest paid PSG player (more than Neymar). PSG refused. In case PSG would be excluded from UCL because of FFP, Mbappé's family wanted a monetary compensation. Monaco's owner received €124M out of the deal. The strange thing is that portoguese superagent Jorge Mendes (who is not Mbappé's agent) also received atleast 7.25M out of the deal. Spiegel are not exactly sure, but they say documents hint, that it might be for playing up the speculation that he would sign for Real Madrid, to increase his price.
Edit (10.11.18): Racism at PSG's scouting department
PSG had a recruitment policy which lasted from 2013 until Spring of this year, which discriminated against ethnic minorities at youth academy level. An example is when a talent called Yann Gboho was 13, PSG did not make an offer, only because he is black. The scout rated him highly, but he wasn't signed by the club after a meeting between people working at PSG's academy, because of his skin color. Until Spring 2018 the scouts had in their scouting documents to note the "origin" of players between the 4 categories: French, Maghrebi, West Indian and Black African. A PSG scout agreed to Mediapart that it should say white rather than French, because all the players they scout are French. PSG doesn't want them to sign players born in Africa, because you can't be sure of their date of birth, he said.
Note: After this was leak was published PSG made a comunicado, confirming the use of these scouting forms with illegal contents which were instituted on the personal initiative of the head of this department. They condemn all forms of discrimination and racism and already made an internal investigation at the beginning of last october to understand how such practices could exist and to decide on the necessary measures to take.
General:
In the coming weeks they will reveal the positive doping tests (note: plural) of a worldclass player who won the Championsleague multiple times. (Note: not many fit that criteria except Real Madrid players and some Barça players). Also the tax avoidance models of some EPL titans.

European SuperLeague:
The developments of a possible European Super League are more advanced than we thought. There is a binding term sheet thought to be signed this month. Started was this project by Bayern president Rumenigge. This would include 16 clubs. Bayern did already make research if the law made it possible to leave Bundesliga to join a Super League and also if they could forbid their players to play for the nationalteam. This would mean that these clubs wouldn't be part of Championsleague or National Leagues like La Liga anymore, and have every week a game against another European giant. This would totally mess up the balance between big and small teams in Football, and would overall be a disaster for Football. UEFA obviously trying to avoid this is heavily pressured and even blackmailed by ECA and the top clubs, which did lead to a reform, which allots greater revenues to those clubs that have found success in the last 10 years in the Champions League and Europa League. This means that there is less money for Europaleague and therefore smaller clubs .The reform also gave the ECA 4 director slots in a company joined with UEFA (one of which ex Barça board member Raul Sanllehi will fill), which will oversee all deals the UEFA makes. Bayern director Gerlinger who was the most essential person in all of this says the Super League was a possibility but is "as far away as ever". Meanwhile Real Madrid received on Octover 22 an email titled "Draft of an Agreement of the 16", which included the binding term sheet to create the Super League, which would be a breakaway from UEFA and the national leagues. This draft includes 11 founders (Real Madrid, FC Barcelona, Manchester United, Juventus Turin, FC Chelsea, FC Arsenal, Paris Saint-Germain, Manchester City, FC Liverpool, AC Milan and Bayern Munich) who have secured membership for 20 years, and 5 guests (which would initially be Atlético Madrid, Borussia Dortmund, Olympique Marseille, Inter Milan and AS Roma). The competition would have two phases: a group round and a knockout round. A company in Spain would be registered to make this possible. Shares of this company would be distributed: Real Madrid holding 18.77 percent, Barcelona 17.61 percent and Manchester United 12.58 percent. Bayern Munich would be the fourth largest shareholder at 8.29 percent.

More about Infantino:
Infantino also was vital that half of the money FIFA made would be distributed to the Associations in advance, without any control about what they would do with it (so that he would get reelected). In 2017 the investigators investigating Infantino were replaced by María Claudia Rojas, who has no experience in investigating, and is a good friend to the notoriously corrupt president of the columbian federation. She immediately cleared Infantino and did say that there are no investigations against him. After that also the FIFA code of ethics was changed (for example the word corruption disappearing). Rinaldo Arnold, a Swiss public prosecutor, is also a good friend with Infantino, who called him capo ("boss") in an email and who assured Infantino that the investigations wouldn't be against him and even offered to have the attorney general to publicly state that.

Edit: Added information from a new Article on 05.11.18
International Champions Cup (ICC):
A confidential document between Relevent Sports (note: the company organizing ICC and also want to have the Barça Girona game in the US) and FC Barcelona reveals how much money teams to play these friendlies: $3.25M per game. For the game against ManU there was a bonus of 750k, and for the Clásico in the USA a bonus of $6.5M. That's nearly $14M net for a week playing in the US with 3 games. In that contract were clauses: "if Messi didn't play for atleast 45min, Barça would receive 750k less, if Neymar didn't play 600k less, for Suárez 450k less".
According to Spiegel the chairman of Relevent Sports, Stillitano, has been trying for years to convince the biggest European clubs to play in a league, in which the best play against eachother. His goal is also to create a Superleague and lure them by showing them how big and plentiful the global revenues are.

Edit: Added information from a new article on 05.11.18 (info by Mediapart via @GFFN)
AS Monaco:
Apparently the AS Monaco owner and Russian billionaire Dmitry Rybolovlev attempted to hide a massive, illegal amount of funding into the team with a fictitious marketing contract and through the involvement of a series of offshore companies in the British Virgin Islands and Hong Kong. Over the time of 2 years he invested a total of €326M, which does violate the FFP. In 2014 a marketing deal was agreed to, that was in reality a yearly sum of €140M by Rybovlev. This deal did then later fell through, because the Dutch head of Swiss-based sports marketing agency had a disagreement with him and threatened to reveal the scam to UEFA. The Investigatory Chamber of UEFA did find some disturbing things, when going through Monacos finances, but the head of UEFA's FFP program Andrea Traverso did agree to help prepare the club for their Investigatory Chamber hearing.
By 2014 Monaco had made losses of €170M over 3 years. Because of their tiny city, they did not receive much money from ticket sales and sponsorship deals. Monaco's marketing director suggested to the president to build a close relationship with Platini, without "giving the slightest indication" that Monaco is violating FFP. Monaco made a marketing deal with AIM, which gave the agency the right to manage sponsorship and marketing for the club, but if Monaco did not make €140M per year revenue, AIM would have to pay the difference. The year before this deal Monaco had a total income (without TV money) of €14.4M, which would mean AIM has to pay €126M, which obviously is an absurd deal to make for AIM. This made Monaco have an income of 11m instead of losses of 116m like the year before. A company registered in the British Virgin Islands called City Concept Ventures "surprisingly" agreed to invest in AIM €140m for 10 years, exactly what they would have to pay to Monaco. The agency of AIM founder de Roos did receive €2.2M for participating in the scheme. This way the Monaco owner was able to put money into the club, through sponsorship contracts. This deal then later fell through, because Rybolovlev had fallen out with Prince Albert of Monaco and decided to stop investing into the club and therefore selling their players. UEFA never discovered this attempted scam.

Edit (06.11.18): Added information
Russian Clubs
Zenit St Petersburg, Dynamo Moscow & Lokomotiv Moscow all artificially inflated sponsorship contracts in order to avoid FFP sanctions & UEFA were complicit in this practice.
Edit (07.11.18): Added from a theblacksea.eu article
Zenit is owned by Gazprom, who pumped €113M into the club in 2012. UEFA was investigating in this. Zenit told them, that Russia's league has not the ability to generate revenues like European leagues and if they would have to comply with FFP, they would need to sell their best players. This would be very bad for Russia ahead of the world cup in 2018. UEFA seemed to accept that argument, because 6 months later they closed the case without excluding Zenit from the UCL. Similar things happened to Rubin Kazan, FC Lokomotiv Moscow and FC Dynamo Moscow. In the past 5 years the state Russia has injected over €1.65 billion into these clubs.

Edit (10.11.18): New article
"Superagent" Pinhas Zahavi and his involvement in deals like Neymar to PSG
Let's start this with a quote by him to the investigative journalist meeting him: "So, listen: I did the biggest transfers in the history of world football. There isn't a big deal in the world where I'm not involved," the agent said. "There's no place in international football where I don't have influence and power."
The Israeli playeragent Pinhas Zahavi is one of the most powerful agents in world football, who is already way longer involved in football transfers than agents such as Mendes or Raiola, he already was part of transfers in the 1970s. He is known to position footballers against their colleagues, coaches and club bosses, and trying to forcefully push for a move to a new club. As an agent he is nearly invisible. He normally doesn't speak to press and does only "appear in the shadows". No one knows how much money he has floating around or which channels it is floating through. Many of the companies he owns or works for are located in tax heavens such as Gibraltar, Cyprus, Malta, British Virgin Islands. He engages law firms in Brazil and Israel to provide him legal support. He often joins forces with other superagents such as Mendes, or Ramadani. There were investigations against him, but never was anything illegal proven. Officially he is paying his taxes in Israel. Many of his companies have their business accounts at banks in Switzerland.
Last summer Lewandowski asked him for help, so that he could leave Bayern. Zahavi spoke with Lewandowski's agent Barthels, who told him that Bayern wouldn't agree to let him leave. He then went to the German newspaper Bild and openly told them that Lewandowski wants to leave and Bayern are aware of it, which made it on the frontpage. However he did not succeed with his plan to have Lewandowski leave Bayern.
However he was a vital part of the Neymar to PSG deal. He was noted as second agent, apart from Neymar Sr. and was due to receive €10.7+2M from that deal. Zahavi wanted that this would be paid to one of his companies in either Switzerland or Cyprus, but PSG didn't agree to it and after some angry emails he accepted that the money would be paid to his accounts in Israel.
His commissions are negotiated on a deal-by-deal basis and always by mobile phone, so there are often no concrete documents, which makes it harder to track it. Also his companies in tax paradises are often buying the transferrights of young (often underage) talents, for example Markovic to Liverpool of which Zahavi's company had half the transferrights.

Edit (10.11.18): Article was behind a paywall on Mediapart, so I used the summary of someone of soccer, hope everything is correct
More about Neymar's move to PSG and also the "loyalty-bonus"
PSG had to pay each of his agents – his father Neymar Senior and Israeli agent Pini Zahavi – a commission sum of 10.7M + 8.7M for Santos. Total price of his transfer: €252M. Zahavi received a 1.5M payement the first year + 2M/year the next 4 years conditional on Neymar remaining with the club. His father received 6M the first year + 3M the following year. The operation to bring Neymar to Paris was codenamed “Gold”. Over a period of five years, the 25-year-old will cost PSG a total of 528 million euros. PSG first proposed a salary of 25M per year, but Neymar would succeed in obtaining 30M/year, free, for him, of social charges and tax. Means 54.7M/year for PSG. PSG were unable to reach an agreement that Neymar would not enter into deals with sponsors who were rivals of the club’s sponsors. PSG lacked the funds to meet the huge cost of the transfer. Information gained by the EIC suggests it was Qatar Sport Investment (QSI), owner of the club, which paid the entire amount.
Neymar wanted to make sure he was paid a bonus payment promised by Barça. This was a bonus sum of 64M agreed when he prolonged his contract exactly one year earlier. He had been paid 21M, but their remained a further 43 million euros that FC Barcelona was committed to pay him by midnight on July 30th 2017 at the latest. On the morning of July 31st, the money transfer had still not been made. FC Barcelona informed Neymar that the 43 million euros had been deposited with a solicitor and will be released to him only if the player certifies that he will remain with the club. Since then, a legal battle continues. The player is still demanding payment of the 43M, FC Barcelona are demanding that the player pays the club 73M representing a total refund of the bonuses that were offered to him for prolonging his contract. On August 22nd 2017, Tebas lodged his complaint against PSG with UEFA, accusing the French club of violation of the European football associations’ ruling body’s financial fair play rules, and ten days later UEFA opened its investigation into the matter. The probe was opened against a backdrop of not only the pressure of La Liga, but also the anger against PSG of other enemies, including German club Bayern Munich.
According to documents obtained from Football Leaks, paying off of the cost of Neymar’s transfer plus the player’s salary would amount to a total of 528 million euros up until 2022, equivalent to 105 million euros per year. That meant that PSG would have to attract more than 100 million euros in extra revenue each year, or sell players to compensate for the difference. Including Mbappe the number rises to 166M. PSG asked Nike for a sponsorship deal worth 100 million euros per year. Nike declined because the contract with PSG, which they paid just more than 20 million euros per year, was not due to expire until 2022.
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6 months ago I wrote about the NWSL expansion race. With a potential expansion announcement in about a month, here's an update.

Six months ago I wrote a post on NWSL expansion and how it was probably the most interesting expansion race in North America. At that point in time we had some knowledge of possible expansions with announcements on expansion to come in the "early summer". Those announcements have been stalled, but quite a lot of information has come in these last several months.

What we currently know

What has happened in the last six months?

03/19/15 - NWSL Commissioner states six bids interested in expansion, RSL and Atlanta are the only ones officially named
04/02/15- "The window is closing on 2016, dialogue is occuring" - NWSL Commissioner Jeff Plus
04/04/15 - Highest ever attendance for USWNT friendly occurs in St. Louis (35,817)
04/11/15 - Two new bids contacted league (brings total to 8), NASL clubs interested, April meetings with candidates, potential early summer expansion announcement
04/12/15 - Journalist says the six main bids are RSL, ATL, Pitt, Indy, and two MLS West Coast sides
04/23/15 - Talk of RSL as next expansion
04/27/15 - Atlanta expansion not happening in 2016, pushing for 2017
04/29/15 - Indy Stadium deal is dead, Indy expansion pushed back
May - WWC sendoff matches (at Galaxy, Quakes, Red Bulls stadiums) are all sellouts
05/15/15 - Orlando President states they are "closely monitoring" NWSL expansion
05/28/15 - Quakes president Dave Kaval reaffirms interest in NWSL side
07/05/15 - USWNT wins third World Cup
07/08/15 Commissioner Plush states that a dozen groups are interested in NWSL expansion sides
07/12/15 - NYCFC interested in NWSL side, possibly would buy Sky Blue FC
07/14/15 - Whitecaps say "nothing imminent" on NWSL front
07/21/15 - Orlando "evaluating" idea of an NWSL side
08/11/15 - Orlando reconfirms interest in NWSL expansion team
08/17/15 - Commish says candidates at 12-15 markets are intersted in expansion
09/10/15 - Commish expects expansion, just a matter of what season. Window for 2016 is closing quickly. Announcement may be made after NWSL Cup
09/10/15 - NWSL board meeting (with owners) to occur, expansion among topics. Orlando being discussed as expansion option.
9/14/15 - The Guardian reports NWSL will add Orlando in 2016, details not final though.

What has changed?

In the last six months we have seen the number of potential bids double from six to (at least) a dozen. Teams have clarified their interest or their lack of interest in NWSL.
From the first four rumored bids (RSL, Atlanta, Indy, Pittsburgh) two were pushed back. Indy was pushed back due to a stadium delay and Atlanta is now pushing for 2017 expansion instead of 2016.
On the front pushing toward joining the league sooner rather than later, we've had a few MLS organizations (Orlando, SJ, NYCFC) state that they are interested in expansion. A 2016 expansion is not likely, and will only happen if it is announced within the next few weeks. The most likely candidate would be RSL. This is due to the fact that the bid was one of the first two that were officially recognized by the commissioner, with the other bid (Atlanta) saying they won't try to join in 2017. RSL is supposed to complete their West Valley City stadium before the 2016 USL season, so a stadium would be potentially ready for the NWSL side when their season starts. A stadium delay would be a non-issue, seeing as RSL has a MLS stadium. That would be in similar fashion to Portland and Houston's NWSL sides. Other MLS western sides would be potential candidates for 2016 (for the sake of making a bigger Western presence for NWSL) but beside that, I don't see it happening. Orlando could potentially be one of the first expansion teams announced, but I don't see them being used

Who/Where of expansion bids

This is a breakdown of the possible expansions based on official statements and rumors. The number of bids for future expansion (12-15) is official as are three of the bids (RSL, Atlanta, Orlando). The rest of the list are made up of teams that have made official statements coupled with specific rumors pointing in their direction.
These are in chronological order, not order of likelihood.

Teams/Bids

#1 Real Salt Lake (Official) [2016/17]
#2 Atlanta (Official) [2017]
#3 Indy (Rumored, good source) [?]
#4 Pittsburgh (Rumored, good source) [?]
#5 MLS West #1 San Jose [2017/18]
#6 MLS West #2 (Rumored) [?]
#7 Latecomer (Location unknown, Potentially NASL)
#8 Orlando (Official) [2016]
#9 NYCFC* (?)
#10 Sacramento (?)
#11-15 (?)

RSL (2017 target year)

Stadium will be complete in 2016 for RSL's USL side (Real Monarchs). The club already has a Women's side and could possibly in some way "promote" to NWSL and rebrand the side, in a similar way that some sides joined MLS.

Atlanta (2017 target year)

They still want a team, but they're pushing for a 2017 date instead of 2016. Some says this date is because of negotiations with the league, others say it was their own choice.

Indy (2018 at earliest)

The bill for a new stadium for the NASL side was shot down, and it was the centerpiece on an NWSL expansion happening there in the near future. It remains to be seen if the team drops the NWSL expansion until their stadium plans are more concrete, or if the NWSL side will potentially play with Indy at IU's Michael Carroll Stadium.

Pittsburgh (2018 target year)

There hasn't been much talk since the beginning of the year about NWSL expansion in Pittsburgh, but it is probably because the team set a goal in 2018 to expand and not one in the next couple of years. The team is looking to expand its stadium capacity to 5,000 in the coming years, but it could likely play at the current 3,500 capacity unless the NWSL instates stadium capacity minimums.

MLS West #1 (San Jose)

Few factors seem to point to an expansion in the next few years: they already announced their interest late last year (and reiterated they were exploring it last month), they have a brand new stadium, they are pushing girls academies in the academies they partner with, and sold out a USWNT match in May. An expansion seems more likely for 2017 or beyond with the Quakes organization likely focusing on hosting the MLS All Star Game in 2016 and President Dave Kaval's recent quotes saying that the team is making sure that the NWSL structure is one that will provide stability for their potential team.

MLS West #2 (LAG, LAFC; Colorado, FC Dallas, Minnesota (?) )

West Coast (as a rumor was worded):
If we go strictly with the "West Coast MLS" definition, taking out the current teams and already announced interest (Seattle, Portland, SJ) that leaves LA (x2) and the Whitecaps. The Whitecaps aren't likely seeing as they shut down their women's team and have previously denied that they would bid for a NWSL team.
Both LAFC sides look unlikely to expand, but a lot can change in a year or so. LAFC part-owner Mia Hamm said that a LA NWSL team "just makes sense", but a potential MLS/NWSL double expansion in 2017 or 2018 would be hell for their FO. LA Galaxy are owned by AEG, who already own a NWSL team. This can mean that they are equally likely or unlikely to have a NWSL team. AEG had previously created a LA WPS team that played in 2009, but they sold them back to the league at the end of the season which in turn folded the team. The contrast between Houston and LA is that AEG's BBVA Compass stadium only had the Dynamo as tennants, whereas LA's StubHub has the LA Galaxy as well as quite a few USMNT/USWNT friendlies.

Western Conference as a whole: Colorado and FC Dallas (Minnesota potentially?)

Yet again we have to take away the existing team and market (Dash and FCKC) and we are left with Colorado and FC Dallas. Both of these teams already have SSSs which is huge. Colorado had a "Rapids Women" team in the W-League. FC Dallas hasn't had an affiliate team, but with Houston currently in the league a team could make sense for an insta-rivalry and marketing point. Tacking Minnesota on here just as a potential "MLS" bid.

Mystery Team #7 (NASL)

The commissioner has stated that there are multiple NASL expansion bids, so taking out Indy from the current mix that only leaves one of these new bids as being a possibility for another NASL bid.
Potential: Carolina, Florida (3 teams), Minnesota*, New York Cosmos, Canada (2 teams), San Antonio Scorpions
In my opinion the most likely of these would have to be San Antonio. The team has ambitions for MLS and with a Texas team already in the league (Houston) it would be an easier time to establish a NWSL team with an immediate rival. Canada is the least likely to see expansion, as the country across the board seems to be not interested in NWSL (MLS & NASL). NYC could possibly establish a ladies team since NYCFC and NYRB have failed to establish their own, and NYRB failed to buy current New Jersey team Sky Blue FC. NWSL could possibly work in Florida, but I feel that a team won't be established unless their is consistently high attendance in the coming years.

Orlando (2016-2017?)

This rumor has surged in the past few weeks thanks to Orlando making a couple statements to confirm and reconfirm their interest in adding a NWSL side in the future. The NWSL commissioner named them among teams they have talked to about adding a NWSL side, which means they are quite the serious contender for one of the next expansions. I think the team definitely will be added but it would probably come after OCSC spends at least a year in their new stadium, unless the FO wants to manage two teams in their first season at a new stadium. Who knows, they may make a run at expansion similar to Houston in 2012, being mentioned late in the game but being added not that long after. If/when Orlando joins, their soccer crazy market will hopefully give the league a permanent foothold in the southeast to place other teams like Atlanta so there can be a regional rivalry and more importantly easier travel.
EDIT: A day after I wrote this up the Guardian is reporting Orlando will get a team in 2016. So that means we probably know at least one of the next expansions.

NYCFC/NYRB

In an interesting situation we get to see how two mega-club brands (Red Bull, City Football Group) handle women's soccer. One group is heavily investing while the other has never even created a women's team (as far as I know). More on that in a little bit.
The two teams may be a unique case of possible moving and rebranding of a current NWSL team. As much as I hate (from personal experience) the thought of a team being rebranded and/or moving, Sky Blue FC is a team that desperately needs it. The team has put up all five of NWSL's lowest attended matches including 582 in 2014, a league record in the worst way. An affiliation and/or move would definitely be a shot in the arm that the team so desperately needs.
NYRB and NYCFC have both been rumored to be in talks with Sky Blue FC (currently in NJ) to either become a partner club or to be bought outright and become a Red Bull or City affiliate. A NYRB purchase would be the best bet for fans in NJ seeing as the team would probably only move about 40 minutes away to Harrison where Red Bull Arena is located. NYCFC would likely move the team to NYC, but they could possibly keep the "Sky Blue FC" name since it fits right in with the City group (and NYCFC) color scheme.
Personally I find that NYCFC will be more likely option because of the conversation I started above. City Football group owns three football clubs while Red Bull owns five. City has two women's team for their three clubs whereas Red Bull have zero. The year 2012 saw Man City fully integrate their affiliated women's team into the club making MFWFC part of the club for the first time. Within months of purchasing Melbourne Heart and re-branding it as Melbourne City FC, the team announced they would create a women's team to compete in Australia's W-League this year (2015-16 season). Following that same pattern, NYCFC has had continued interest in NWSL and club director of football Claudio Reyna saying that they were yet again in discussions with Sky Blue FC, whether it is to buy the team or create a nearby expansion in NYC.
So the most likely outcome of this is that Sky Blue FC is bought by NYCFC and while the likely move would be tough for fans in NJ, it would be the best for the health of the club and league as a whole.

Sacramento

Sacramento has stated before that they are interested in a team...not much is known beyond that. I'd speculate that a NWSL team would come after their Republic's likely promotion to MLS.

Mystery Teams #11 and #12 (and 13-15?)

Anyone, anywhere. We could see more MLS backed bids, more NASL bids, another USL bid, or even an independent bid. Sacramento has stated they are interested but that it was in the long-term (likely tied to joining MLS). Rumors are that a bid from Hartford/Connecticut is in the picture, seeing as Hartford was originally bidding for a WPS team before that league folded.
The Commish has said there are 12-15 groups interested in expansion but I can only find 10 with clear statements or rumors, so only time will tell who these all are.

What do I think expansion will look like?

TL;DR Western side (SJE/RSL) in 2017, Western side (RSL/SJ) and an eastern expansion (Atlanta/OCSC) [Note that Atlanta bid is currently not associated with the MLS or NASL teams]
I think there is little to no chance a team will be added on in 2016 because of the Olympics. Expansion teams need their biggest names to help drive in attendance, and more than likely those players will be gone to play for the National Team for a good chunk of the season. Also the Olympics will have a similar strain on teams as the WWC did (though not quite as bad with less countries participating and smaller rosters overall) and so unless roster rules are changed to add more roster spots and/or more international player slots there will be strain on the talent pool as well. An expansion in 2016 would be similar to Houston in 2014, an expansion for the sake of the future at the possible cost of the now. Houston was originally slated for a 2015 expansion but the club pushed for an early expansion and was officially named an expansion in December 2013 only a few months before the next season started! After 2016 the next major Women's tournament won't occur until 2019 when France hosts the next WWC.
The next team to expand should be in the West, for a couple reasons. Most importantly it would fill a huge gap that sees Portland and Seattle stranded in the Pacific Northwest. The next closest teams are in Kansas City and Houston, not very close at all. The second reason which would go hand in hand with the first would be the evening of the league from nine to ten teams, allowing for conference play. MLS started out with just 10 teams with two conferences of five, and so NWSL could do a similar system to help curb the impact of travel. I think Real Salt Lake and San Jose are likely candidates for this expansion.
The next set of expansion should be two teams to keep conferences even, with another team in the West and a new team in the East. The western team would yet again help to narrow the gap in the conference and the eastern expansion could actually spread to a further territory such as the southeast that doesn't currently have a team. The likely candidates for 2018 would be RSL/SJ (whichever didn't come in 2016) and Orlando or Atlanta.
After that I think NWSL may take a break in expansion. Many would argue that adding 3 teams in 2 years will dilute the talent pool, and adding more teams in a quick span would do more harm than good. If however (in my opinion) a very unlikely scenario sees NWSL receive a large influx of international and college players, the league may continue to expand with a team a year similar to how MLS did in 2007-2010. However I feel this isn't likely since the league will need to evaluate how attendance and the talent pool is impacted by having the league (in this theory) expand by a quarter (9->12) in a matter of only two seasons.
If you had my pick for what a larger NWSL would look like (going with rumors) we'd see San Jose, Real Salt Lake, LA (Galaxy or LAFC) added to the west and Orlando, Atlanta, and Pittsburgh added to the east. Throw in a Canadian team (Toronto, Vancouver) to put the total number at 16.
This would make for a California derby, a full fledged West Coast (PNW + California + RSL), and expansion to the southeast (Atlanta & Orlando) making for a fleshed out NWSL map.

Potential NWSL expansion timeline

  • October 2015 - Expansion (bid) announcement
  • 2016 - Possible expansion, likely Orlando and/or Western
  • 2017 - Likely expansion, possibly two teams (1 East, 1 West)
  • 2017 - Atlanta's target year
  • 2017 - Real Salt Lake's target year
  • 2018 - Pittsburgh's target year

What are the arguments for and against expansion in 2016 vs 2017?

While a majority of people say that expansion in 2016 (Olympic year) seems detrimental to the expansion side, some people have made a compelling argument for expansion in that year. An expansion in 2016 while painful in the first season would give two seasons of "rest" for the NWSL expansion side(s), a time where they will see little to no time where their USWNT (and other NT) players are gone for a large chunk of the season thanks to international tournaments. Another argument to tack on is that a NWSL expansion in 2016 would allow for the team to jump on WWC hype before it cools down. One could also argue that if an expansion is tied to a MLS side (RSL, SJ, etc.) it may make for a guaranteed ticket seller, seeing as the Thorns and Dash have led the league in attendance in 2014 and 2015.
The argument for 2017 is the predominant one. Let the expansion team enter in a year where there is no chance for their team's (or other teams') national team players to be absent for a large portion of the season. It also would allow for a team like RSL or SJ to have time in their new stadiums (RSL with the USL stadium, SJ still has some final touches to make on theirs) to know how to handle two teams playing there. It also gives time for the talent pool (college, developmental leagues) to get stronger instead of being immediately used up for a few new rosters.
If I missed anything, please let me know. Thanks!
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6 months ago I wrote about the expansion race. With a potential announcement in about a month, here's an update.

Six months ago I wrote a post on NWSL expansion and how it was probably the most interesting expansion race in North America. At that point in time we had some knowledge of possible expansions with announcements on expansion to come in the "early summer". Those announcements have been stalled, but quite a lot of information has come in these last several months.

What we currently know

What has happened in the last six months?

03/19/15 - NWSL Commissioner states six bids interested in expansion, RSL and Atlanta are the only ones officially named
04/02/15- "The window is closing on 2016, dialogue is occuring" - NWSL Commissioner Jeff Plus
04/04/15 - Highest ever attendance for USWNT friendly occurs in St. Louis (35,817)
04/11/15 - Two new bids contacted league (brings total to 8), NASL clubs interested, April meetings with candidates, potential early summer expansion announcement
04/12/15 - Journalist says the six main bids are RSL, ATL, Pitt, Indy, and two MLS West Coast sides
04/23/15 - Talk of RSL as next expansion
04/27/15 - Atlanta expansion not happening in 2016, pushing for 2017
04/29/15 - Indy Stadium deal is dead, Indy expansion pushed back
May - WWC sendoff matches (at Galaxy, Quakes, Red Bulls stadiums) are all sellouts
05/15/15 - Orlando President states they are "closely monitoring" NWSL expansion
05/28/15 - Quakes president Dave Kaval reaffirms interest in NWSL side
07/05/15 - USWNT wins third World Cup
07/08/15 Commissioner Plush states that a dozen groups are interested in NWSL expansion sides
07/12/15 - NYCFC interested in NWSL side, possibly would buy Sky Blue FC
07/14/15 - Whitecaps say "nothing imminent" on NWSL front
07/21/15 - Orlando "evaluating" idea of an NWSL side
08/11/15 - Orlando reconfirms interest in NWSL expansion team
08/17/15 - Commish says candidates at 12-15 markets are intersted in expansion
09/10/15 - Commish expects expansion, just a matter of what season. Window for 2016 is closing quickly. Announcement may be made after NWSL Cup
09/10/15 - NWSL board meeting (with owners) to occur, expansion among topics. Orlando being discussed as expansion option.
9/14/15 - The Guardian reports NWSL will add Orlando in 2016, details not final though.

What has changed?

In the last six months we have seen the number of potential bids double from six to (at least) a dozen. Teams have clarified their interest or their lack of interest in NWSL.
From the first four rumored bids (RSL, Atlanta, Indy, Pittsburgh) two were pushed back. Indy was pushed back due to a stadium delay and Atlanta is now pushing for 2017 expansion instead of 2016.
On the front pushing toward joining the league sooner rather than later, we've had a few MLS organizations (Orlando, SJ, NYCFC) state that they are interested in expansion. A 2016 expansion is not likely, and will only happen if it is announced within the next few weeks. The most likely candidate would be RSL. This is due to the fact that the bid was one of the first two that were officially recognized by the commissioner, with the other bid (Atlanta) saying they won't try to join in 2017. RSL is supposed to complete their West Valley City stadium before the 2016 USL season, so a stadium would be potentially ready for the NWSL side when their season starts. A stadium delay would be a non-issue, seeing as RSL has a MLS stadium. That would be in similar fashion to Portland and Houston's NWSL sides. Other MLS western sides would be potential candidates for 2016 (for the sake of making a bigger Western presence for NWSL) but beside that, I don't see it happening. Orlando could potentially be one of the first expansion teams announced, but I don't see them being used

Who/Where of expansion bids

This is a breakdown of the possible expansions based on official statements and rumors. The number of bids for future expansion (12-15) is official as are three of the bids (RSL, Atlanta, Orlando). The rest of the list are made up of teams that have made official statements coupled with specific rumors pointing in their direction.
These are in chronological order, not order of likelihood.

Teams/Bids

#1 Real Salt Lake (Official) [2016/17]
#2 Atlanta (Official) [2017]
#3 Indy (Rumored, good source) [?]
#4 Pittsburgh (Rumored, good source) [?]
#5 MLS West #1 San Jose [2017/18]
#6 MLS West #2 (Rumored) [?]
#7 Latecomer (Location unknown, Potentially NASL)
#8 Orlando (Official) [2017/18]
#9 NYCFC* (?)
#10 Sacramento (?)
#11-15 (?)

RSL (2017 target year)

Stadium will be complete in 2016 for RSL's USL side (Real Monarchs). The club already has a Women's side and could possibly in some way "promote" to NWSL and rebrand the side, in a similar way that some sides joined MLS.

Atlanta (2017 target year)

They still want a team, but they're pushing for a 2017 date instead of 2016. Some says this date is because of negotiations with the league, others say it was their own choice.

Indy (2018 at earliest)

The bill for a new stadium for the NASL side was shot down, and it was the centerpiece on an NWSL expansion happening there in the near future. It remains to be seen if the team drops the NWSL expansion until their stadium plans are more concrete, or if the NWSL side will potentially play with Indy at IU's Michael Carroll Stadium.

Pittsburgh (2018 target year)

There hasn't been much talk since the beginning of the year about NWSL expansion in Pittsburgh, but it is probably because the team set a goal in 2018 to expand and not one in the next couple of years. The team is looking to expand its stadium capacity to 5,000 in the coming years, but it could likely play at the current 3,500 capacity unless the NWSL instates stadium capacity minimums.

MLS West #1 (San Jose)

Few factors seem to point to an expansion in the next few years: they already announced their interest late last year (and reiterated they were exploring it last month), they have a brand new stadium, they are pushing girls academies in the academies they partner with, and sold out a USWNT match in May. An expansion seems more likely for 2017 or beyond with the Quakes organization likely focusing on hosting the MLS All Star Game in 2016 and President Dave Kaval's recent quotes saying that the team is making sure that the NWSL structure is one that will provide stability for their potential team.

MLS West #2 (LAG, LAFC; Colorado, FC Dallas, Minnesota (?) )

West Coast (as a rumor was worded):
If we go strictly with the "West Coast MLS" definition, taking out the current teams and already announced interest (Seattle, Portland, SJ) that leaves LA (x2) and the Whitecaps. The Whitecaps aren't likely seeing as they shut down their women's team and have previously denied that they would bid for a NWSL team.
Both LAFC sides look unlikely to expand, but a lot can change in a year or so. LAFC part-owner Mia Hamm said that a LA NWSL team "just makes sense", but a potential MLS/NWSL double expansion in 2017 or 2018 would be hell for their FO. LA Galaxy are owned by AEG, who already own a NWSL team. This can mean that they are equally likely or unlikely to have a NWSL team. AEG had previously created a LA WPS team that played in 2009, but they sold them back to the league at the end of the season which in turn folded the team. The contrast between Houston and LA is that AEG's BBVA Compass stadium only had the Dynamo as tennants, whereas LA's StubHub has the LA Galaxy as well as quite a few USMNT/USWNT friendlies.

Western Conference as a whole: Colorado and FC Dallas (Minnesota potentially?)

Yet again we have to take away the existing team and market (Dash and FCKC) and we are left with Colorado and FC Dallas. Both of these teams already have SSSs which is huge. Colorado had a "Rapids Women" team in the W-League. FC Dallas hasn't had an affiliate team, but with Houston currently in the league a team could make sense for an insta-rivalry and marketing point. Tacking Minnesota on here just as a potential "MLS" bid.

Mystery Team #7 (NASL)

The commissioner has stated that there are multiple NASL expansion bids, so taking out Indy from the current mix that only leaves one of these new bids as being a possibility for another NASL bid.
Potential: Carolina, Florida (3 teams), Minnesota*, New York Cosmos, Canada (2 teams), San Antonio Scorpions
In my opinion the most likely of these would have to be San Antonio. The team has ambitions for MLS and with a Texas team already in the league (Houston) it would be an easier time to establish a NWSL team with an immediate rival. Canada is the least likely to see expansion, as the country across the board seems to be not interested in NWSL (MLS & NASL). NYC could possibly establish a ladies team since NYCFC and NYRB have failed to establish their own, and NYRB failed to buy current New Jersey team Sky Blue FC. NWSL could possibly work in Florida, but I feel that a team won't be established unless their is consistently high attendance in the coming years.

Orlando (2016-2017?)

This rumor has surged in the past few weeks thanks to Orlando making a couple statements to confirm and reconfirm their interest in adding a NWSL side in the future. The NWSL commissioner named them among teams they have talked to about adding a NWSL side, which means they are quite the serious contender for one of the next expansions. I think the team definitely will be added but it would probably come after OCSC spends at least a year in their new stadium, unless the FO wants to manage two teams in their first season at a new stadium. Who knows, they may make a run at expansion similar to Houston in 2012, being mentioned late in the game but being added not that long after. If/when Orlando joins, their soccer crazy market will hopefully give the league a permanent foothold in the southeast to place other teams like Atlanta so there can be a regional rivalry and more importantly easier travel.
EDIT: A day after I wrote this up the Guardian is reporting Orlando will get a team in 2016. So that means we probably know at least one of the next expansions.

NYCFC/NYRB

In an interesting situation we get to see how two mega-club brands (Red Bull, City Football Group) handle women's soccer. One group is heavily investing while the other has never even created a women's team (as far as I know). More on that in a little bit.
The two teams may be a unique case of possible moving and rebranding of a current NWSL team. As much as I hate (from personal experience) the thought of a team being rebranded and/or moving, Sky Blue FC is a team that desperately needs it. The team has put up all five of NWSL's lowest attended matches including 582 in 2014, a league record in the worst way. An affiliation and/or move would definitely be a shot in the arm that the team so desperately needs.
NYRB and NYCFC have both been rumored to be in talks with Sky Blue FC (currently in NJ) to either become a partner club or to be bought outright and become a Red Bull or City affiliate. A NYRB purchase would be the best bet for fans in NJ seeing as the team would probably only move about 40 minutes away to Harrison where Red Bull Arena is located. NYCFC would likely move the team to NYC, but they could possibly keep the "Sky Blue FC" name since it fits right in with the City group (and NYCFC) color scheme.
Personally I find that NYCFC will be more likely option because of the conversation I started above. City Football group owns three football clubs while Red Bull owns five. City has two women's team for their three clubs whereas Red Bull have zero. The year 2012 saw Man City fully integrate their affiliated women's team into the club making MFWFC part of the club for the first time. Within months of purchasing Melbourne Heart and re-branding it as Melbourne City FC, the team announced they would create a women's team to compete in Australia's W-League this year (2015-16 season). Following that same pattern, NYCFC has had continued interest in NWSL and club director of football Claudio Reyna saying that they were yet again in discussions with Sky Blue FC, whether it is to buy the team or create a nearby expansion in NYC.
So the most likely outcome of this is that Sky Blue FC is bought by NYCFC and while the likely move would be tough for fans in NJ, it would be the best for the health of the club and league as a whole.

Sacramento

Sacramento has stated before that they are interested in a team...not much is known beyond that. I'd speculate that a NWSL team would come after their Republic's likely promotion to MLS.

Mystery Teams #11 and #12 (and 13-15?)

Anyone, anywhere. We could see more MLS backed bids, more NASL bids, another USL bid, or even an independent bid. Sacramento has stated they are interested but that it was in the long-term (likely tied to joining MLS). Rumors are that a bid from Hartford/Connecticut is in the picture, seeing as Hartford was originally bidding for a WPS team before that league folded.
The Commish has said there are 12-15 groups interested in expansion but I can only find 10 with clear statements or rumors, so only time will tell who these all are.

What do I think expansion will look like?

TL;DR Western side (SJE/RSL) in 2017, Western side (RSL/SJ) and an eastern expansion (Atlanta/OCSC) [Note that Atlanta bid is currently not associated with the MLS or NASL teams]
I think there is little to no chance a team will be added on in 2016 because of the Olympics. Expansion teams need their biggest names to help drive in attendance, and more than likely those players will be gone to play for the National Team for a good chunk of the season. Also the Olympics will have a similar strain on teams as the WWC did (though not quite as bad with less countries participating and smaller rosters overall) and so unless roster rules are changed to add more roster spots and/or more international player slots there will be strain on the talent pool as well. An expansion in 2016 would be similar to Houston in 2014, an expansion for the sake of the future at the possible cost of the now. Houston was originally slated for a 2015 expansion but the club pushed for an early expansion and was officially named an expansion in December 2013 only a few months before the next season started! After 2016 the next major Women's tournament won't occur until 2019 when France hosts the next WWC.
The next team to expand should be in the West, for a couple reasons. Most importantly it would fill a huge gap that sees Portland and Seattle stranded in the Pacific Northwest. The next closest teams are in Kansas City and Houston, not very close at all. The second reason which would go hand in hand with the first would be the evening of the league from nine to ten teams, allowing for conference play. MLS started out with just 10 teams with two conferences of five, and so NWSL could do a similar system to help curb the impact of travel. I think Real Salt Lake and San Jose are likely candidates for this expansion.
The next set of expansion should be two teams to keep conferences even, with another team in the West and a new team in the East. The western team would yet again help to narrow the gap in the conference and the eastern expansion could actually spread to a further territory such as the southeast that doesn't currently have a team. The likely candidates for 2018 would be RSL/SJ (whichever didn't come in 2016) and Orlando or Atlanta.
After that I think NWSL may take a break in expansion. Many would argue that adding 3 teams in 2 years will dilute the talent pool, and adding more teams in a quick span would do more harm than good. If however (in my opinion) a very unlikely scenario sees NWSL receive a large influx of international and college players, the league may continue to expand with a team a year similar to how MLS did in 2007-2010. However I feel this isn't likely since the league will need to evaluate how attendance and the talent pool is impacted by having the league (in this theory) expand by a quarter (9->12) in a matter of only two seasons.
If you had my pick for what a larger NWSL would look like (going with rumors) we'd see San Jose, Real Salt Lake, LA (Galaxy or LAFC) added to the west and Orlando, Atlanta, and Pittsburgh added to the east. Throw in a Canadian team (Toronto, Vancouver) to put the total number at 16.
This would make for a California derby, a full fledged West Coast (PNW + California + RSL), and expansion to the southeast (Atlanta & Orlando) making for a fleshed out NWSL map.

Potential NWSL expansion timeline

  • October 2015 - Expansion (bid) announcement
  • 2016 - Possible expansion, likely Orlando and/or Western
  • 2017 - Likely expansion, possibly two teams (1 East, 1 West)
  • 2017 - Atlanta's target year
  • 2017 - Real Salt Lake's target year
  • 2018 - Pittsburgh's target year

What are the arguments for and against expansion in 2016 vs 2017?

While a majority of people say that expansion in 2016 (Olympic year) seems detrimental to the expansion side, some people have made a compelling argument for expansion in that year. An expansion in 2016 while painful in the first season would give two seasons of "rest" for the NWSL expansion side(s), a time where they will see little to no time where their USWNT (and other NT) players are gone for a large chunk of the season thanks to international tournaments. Another argument to tack on is that a NWSL expansion in 2016 would allow for the team to jump on WWC hype before it cools down. One could also argue that if an expansion is tied to a MLS side (RSL, SJ, etc.) it may make for a guaranteed ticket seller, seeing as the Thorns and Dash have led the league in attendance in 2014 and 2015.
The argument for 2017 is the predominant one. Let the expansion team enter in a year where there is no chance for their team's (or other teams') national team players to be absent for a large portion of the season. It also would allow for a team like RSL or SJ to have time in their new stadiums (RSL with the USL stadium, SJ still has some final touches to make on theirs) to know how to handle two teams playing there. It also gives time for the talent pool (college, developmental leagues) to get stronger instead of being immediately used up for a few new rosters.
If I missed anything, please let me know. Thanks!
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[Table] IamA Racehorse track rider, not sure if anyone would find this interesting, but if you want to know about this industry, AMA!

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What kind of animal abuse/cruelty have you seen in the industry? I have seen a fair amount I am not going to lie. One of the stable I worked at, when the horses were being naughty, I have seen them punched in the nose/mouth, and the worse I have seen is a horse be whipped in the head, the whip struck its eye, and burst a blood vessel in its eye, so its eye was just all red like a demon, we thought it was gonna lose his eye, but a few days at the vets and he was fine.
I have heard of other trainers putting horses in the pool, and shocking them with a cow prodder, because the water makes it hurt them more. They call it 'hitting them up' If any jockey or trainer is found with one of them in their possession, they automatically lose their license.
I hate the cruelty that comes with it, I currently work at a stable where the horses receive no abuse, and it's the reason I work there.
Do you turn people in when you see the abuse? Unfortunately no, what jamessargeant said
I do huntejumpers and i have seen similar abuse. moved barns as well for the same reason. Yeah it's not jut racing that has abuse,
If you don't consider breeding them in a way that makes them prone to injury abuse. Unfortunately thoroughbreds are bred to be fast, and fast only. The good thing about it, is they do finish growing quicker than most breeds, but talking to a vet, she said that a big draft horse is more suited to racing than thoroughbreds. Meaning that a drafts body would be able to withstand the pressure of racing better than a tb's.
This is why i refuse to watch horse racing! Thanks OP for your honesty. No problem, but don't assume the horses are just abused for no reason. What I mean is that the horses were being extremely naughty, they defiantly deserved a telling off, but theres a difference between that and abuse.
Fucking Burnie... Burnie?
Does this sport still attract large crowds? The G1,2 and 3 races do, but there are a number of small races during the week, and the only people who come down those days to watch are really the owners of the horses. It's coming into summertime, and that's when all the big races are on.
What is a typical workday for you? A typical work day, get up at 3:45am, be at work at 4:20am, head to the track, ride between 1 and 3 horses for my trainer there. Then we had back to our stables, feed the horses, work the rest of the horses on the sand track at the stables. After clean all the waters, and pick up the poo from the paddocks, rake the walkway, and just make everything look all tidy and neat. Then take 1 or 2 horses to the beach to just wade them through the water. Finish work around 10am-12pm, we don't get any breaks either.
Jeez. Do they at least pay you decently? Nope I earn around $400-600 a week, depending on how many hours I do, I get $14 an hour and also work 6 hours a week. I wouldn't recommend this job to anyone. But if I ever found myself without a job, I can always turn to track riding because riders are always in demand, for the reason of it being such bad pay for such hard work.
This is hopefully my last year riding racehorses, hoping to pursue a career in the police force next year!
Did you say take the horses to the beach? Fuck, I am the wrong species. Nobody ever feeds me, cleans my poo and takes me to the beach. Best day ever might get two of the three but I have to do that myself. Life isn't fair. Haha yes we do, it's great for them!
The horses love it too, I got off my horse and he automatically tried to roll in the water, and after we've waded them through the water, if the horses want we let them roll in the sand.
Well that really sucks. At least you can tell people you've ridden million dollar horses. Good luck with police academy. Yeah the experience I have gained from being in this industry is awesome and really interesting! and thankyou! I really hope I get in
I know nothing about racing in Australia, or about the Australian police forces, but do any of the city police departments have horse mounted officers? Here in the United States, at least in Arkansas, they are pretty popular in cities, particularly in congested areas or during big events since they give the officers the ability to see greater distances, move quickly, and also be somewhat intimidating. Would you consider being a horse mounted officer? Yes we have them here in Australia, it's quite popular and hard to get into, but I am hoping with my knowledge and experience with horses I will be able to! :)
$14 aud? That's below the minimum wage. Minimum is $12 for my age
Have you considered that maybe, economically, that's backwards. High demand and limited supply should equal great pay. Yes we all know it's backwards!
You need a union, sir. But it is what it is, I can go work freelance and work up to 10 horses a day getting $20 per horse, but it's hard to keep a steady income, the trainers can just stop giving you rides.
That having been said, there were periods where I worked for some shitty trainers where I would have rather gouged my eyeball out with a spoon than go to work. I've been lucky all the trainers I've worked for have been awesome! one of the trainers use to be a very successful jockey and she would ride around with me and show me all techniques and how to handle different horses, I learned so much from her!
4-600 is not bad pay if it is weakly... For where I live it's quite expensive, so all that money is gone by the end of the week (well i put 200 away into savings each week) but hey I love my job,
You will see more severe abuse on the police force. You're young enough to rethink that career decision. Don't take this advice lightly. Good luck in your endeavors. Could you explain a bit more on the abuse in the police force?
Do you hope to ride horses for the police? Sure do! :)
I imagine the work is really hard but 14/h aint that bad for an 18 y/o. Atleast not where I live (Netherlands). That would be roughly 10-12€ per hour. Im 22 and I make about 8/h working in retail. Ofcourse, I get quite a big tax refund every year. I dont know how that works for you. It's not really the $14 an hour that's hard, but its hard to work enough hours during the week to get enough pay, but it's enough and gets me by :)
I'm afraid if you have an IQ over 100 you're not gonna get in. Haha what makes you say that?
No I understand the work is physically demanding. It just sounds like a decent wage but idk how it holds up to the rest of your country. I would probably be on the same wage if I were to work full time in retail. But for what I want out of life, it's not enough, and I think it's perfectly ok to go for a better paying job.
But yeah 26k a year is not much in Australia, like I am in my first year out of school and earning that much, so I know I can end up doing a lot better eventually.
How much (if any) of this industry is actually rigged? I know in Ireland there are a lot of people who won't bet on it as there has been so many allegations of rigged races over the years. Thanks for doing the AMA. I've heard of a few rigged races, the jockey continually lost on very good horses, when he use to normally win. But apart from that, hardly any, very harsh penalties apply if that sort of thing happens, trainers lose their trainers license, and jockeys lose their jockey license, which to them, is their whole careelife, so 95% don't risk it.
Oh really, I thought it would be more common. No rigging would occur in the big races because there is more incentive to win but in the smaller races you could make more money as a jockey or owner by throwing the race. But yeah how tall are you? And would you of become a jockey given the chance? And riding a horse looks really tough, like riding a horse in a gallop seems like it would require so much core strength, how tough is it? The stable I work at now, we race in most of the smaller races, and I haven't heard of any rigging and we don't do it, but who knows maybe there is, I'm not involved in that sort of stuff in this industry!
I am 5'8, if I was short enough I would become a jockey in a heartbeat! but I weigh 143lb, and I am not over weight, to be a jockey you want to sit around 110lb!
Oh man, soo much core strength, I have abs from just riding racehorses! you don't realise how hard you're working your own body till after the gallop because you get such an adrenaline rush.
But if u were to lose your license I doesn't sound like it would be that bad, considering the long hours of hard work But then they wouldn't have a job, they would lose their whole career and life.
In what country do you race? i just visited toowoomba (queensland) yesterday to see my fathers horses, and if you've raced in different countries are there any notable differences? I don't race, I just train the horse up to race fitness level. But I work in Western Australia. I know that over east, you race clockwise, and in WA we race anti clockwise, but that' the only difference I know.
A jockey I work with, has just come back from 11months in england, and she said it's a lot different over there. For starters, here we ride 2, maybe 3 horses at a time on the track. But in England she said there could be 60 horses and riders going around in one big group.
Hey, since you work in australia, do you happen to know a horse called "Red Dazzler" ? Unfortunately not!
Thank you for replying :D, also sorry for not reading the part where you said you aren't a jockey. I just looked him up, and he is a 2yo and just ran a trial at larkhill, is that the right horse? I go to larkhill track is the track we train at also.
Link to eurekastud.com.au. Nice! Don't know who I was looking at haha,
My dad owns him, im actually quite jealous of your job, i love horses but living in the suburbs they are basically aliens. something special about horses. That's wicked!
I live and work Rural, but up in the city there a blocks of land that are like 1/4 of an acre, and have stables, they just walk their horses to track each morning!
I like being rural and working the horse on a sand track rather than going to the actual race track every day.
Dang, thats pretty cool, i have so many more questions but ill stop, thanks for talking with me :D. Go ahead and ask! I am more than happy to answer :)
Although I am heading out soon so if I just stop replying I'm not ignoring you
Hardest fall? ever do any showing or jumping? I have been super lucky with falls! Only had (touchwood) 5 falls so far, lots and lots of near falls though :P.
Im very jealous. i used to show quite a bit. i love hitting the barn before sunrise, the smell of horses hay & leather. But hardest was walking out on a filly, she jacked up, put her head onto her chest ran backwards quickly, while rearing up and trying to spin. She ended up falling over sideways, my leg was trapped under body, I remember it all in slow motion and just thinking to be calm and weight for her to get up, then get the fuck out the way! haha, one of the workers said if I hadn't of moved to quick I would have gotten kicked in the head!
For personal riding, western, english, or the weird hybrid style saddle? I did do eventing, but I recently sold my horse (to Olympian Sonja Johnson!) I sold him so I could save up money and just enjoy being 18 and go out every weekend, and he is for a serious competitor, he has 4* eventing potential but I am not good enough to get to that height. So he is now in a home where he will reach his full potential! :)
What's the difference between a jockey and a horse racer? A jockey is someone who actually rides the horses in the race. horse racer, or I would say track rider, is someone who trains the horses. Rides them everyday and looks after them to get the horse to a fitness level o they can race.
Probably a stupid question but how much communication is there between the jockey and the track rider throughout the training of a horse? And is it possible for someone to be both a track rider and a jockey? Sometimes the jockey will gallop the horse at the track, other times the jockey, while I am walking the horse around the parade area ready to race, the trainer is telling the jockey about the horse and how to ride it. So not very much! another reason why jockeys are so skilled.
Yes it is possible for someone to be both, Jockeys come down the track in the morning and ride horses for trainers down there.
How did you first get hired as an exercise rider? My sister worked them before I did, so I started out on saturdays when I was 14 working with her to earn some money, and then sort of just stayed.
How much do you weigh? I am 172cm tall and weigh 65kg
5' 6" 143lbs. I think I am 5'8, but if I wanted to be a jockey I would have to sit at around 110lb, that ain't gonna happen with my height! hahah
Which stable do you ride for? I work for an online racing bookie in Melbourne :) That's cool! I use to work at Grant Williams, but now work for a smaller place with Kelly Grantham :)
Ah ok. Grant Williams trained Western Jewel yeah? Perth Cup winner I believe. Yeah he did, I got to ride her! I was working that afternoon she won, my and my friend were sitting inside watching it, he had 3 or 4 horses in the Perth cup, and out of them all we did not expect her to win, it was a very exciting day! :)
Haha congratulations! Don't know if you saw, but one of my old favourites Playing God just won at Ascot at 20/1. I backed that horse quite a few times when it came over to Melbourne for the Autumn Carnival. Good to see him get another win! I must of missed it! but he would have raced at Belmont, Belmont is our winter track, hasn't been any racing at Ascot yet, but it's always great to see your favorites win! My two favorite horses are Galaxy Prince, and Desert Palace :)
Was definitely Ascot, 9 races there today :) Do Grant Williams horses races in those pink colours with the white X? Shows how much I know then! didn't realise they were back racing at Ascot! I was supposed to go strap today for a horse called free time, but woke up really sick.
Most of Grant's horses have those colours, but it's not his own colours, it's a guy called Bob, don't know his last name. But Grant trains a lot of his horses, other trainers also have some of Bob's horse and use the same colours. I can't actually remember what grant's personal colours were.
Just wondering what group 1 winners you have been lucky enough to have ridden? A mare called Western Jewel, she won a G1 in 2011, Although the race she won, was changed in 2012 to a G2.
Another horse called Lord's Ransom, he was just retired this year. Actually I just looked him up, he hasn't one a G1, raced in a few, but won a few G2, he raced until he was 8 going on 9!
Another horse called Ranger, he is THE most laziest race horse, yet he is a superstar!
I think those are the Winners, but I have ridden a number of G1 place getters and even runners! It's because when we have a G2 or G1 race, security guards come and watch the horses that are racing to make sure you don't give them anything illegal.
Cheers for the reply, I know Ranger well, have torn up plenty backing him before. 2011 Kingston Town stakes, where Playing God went to the lead at the top of the straght and Ranger just couldn't get there coming from way back. Funny how you can remember things like that. Hahah yeah it is! it's the style a lot of Grant's horses run at, from the back. My last memory of Ranger before moving stables, was I was riding next to him with Grant's apprentice jockey who has come over from Singapore, and it had been raining all night so there was a puddle on the sand track. Ross (his stable name) or Ranger as you know him, lept over the puddle, then took off with his head between his knees bucking!
He is real cheeky with stuff like that :)
Is it true the horse is made to urinate and ejaculate before a race to make him lighter? Hahaha, no that's illegal. Never heard of the ejaculate thing before.
But before we gallop them, only some of the horses get stuff called Lasix (I could be spelling it wrong) it's for horses that bleed out their nose. It's hard work for the horses, and they end up breathing so hard that it can burst a blood vessel in their lungs. As they blow out through their nose the blood is blown up. For a horse to be bleeding, even a trickle 5min after they raced will normally result in them being banned from racing, for the blood to come out that quick would mean the horse would be almost drowning in their own blood.
But this Lasix stuff does make them urinate, and if given to much can make the horse dehydrated. It's also illegal to race on Lasix in Western Australia.
I took an ex race horse in for rehabilitation and to re-break him. Hes fantastic now, but has no voice box, someone said this is common practice to take the voice boxes out. Is this true? Why? It's called a tie back surgery, not many horses get them, but it helps with their breathing if they struggle, or if the 'flap' that is tied back doesn't work correctly. What I mean, is when the horse eats or drinks the flap covers the horses air way so food and water doesn't go down to their lungs, sometimes when they start breathing the hard the flap will obstruct the airway and the horse will struggle to breath.
Does his food and water come out of his nose? it's very common for that to happen to horses who have had a tie back surgery.
Would you rather fight one horse-sized duck, or 100 duck-size horses? I'm not a jockey, I just help train them :)
Defiantly a one horse sized duck, use to dealing with animals that size!
As a long time equestrian who's always wanted to get the chance to work in the racing industry, can you tell me how you started? I started because my sister got into it and I wanted to earn some money so I went to work on weekends and before school, and just all progressed from there.
What is the typical weight you'd need to get down to? For what I do, I don't need to be a specific weight, but obviously I can't be overweight.
Did you ride through high school? Yeah I use to work 2 school mornings a week, started at 5am, finished at 7:30,
Cool AMA! what kind of training must a Jockey go through? What makes a racehorse the 'winning horse'? I'm not a jockey, but in Australia, jockeys start off as apprentice jockeys for 4 years. They go to a school once a week, and go to fitness classes with other apprentices once a week. They have to do atleast 30 trial races, sometimes they might have to do 60 or more for officials to sign them off and then they begin race riding, still staying an apprentice. Apprentice jockeys have a 4kg claim in racing, meaning if the horse is to be ridden at 54kg, the apprentice is allowed to ride the horse at 50kg.
Interesting anecdote (hope it wasn't too long). In light of that, just how tiring is it during a long race and how do you condition yourself (other than riding)? Jockeys work extremely hard and have to be very fit
Generally, what is it like to ride young fit thoroughbreds that spend most of their time in a stall? Do you have to deal with a lot of unpleasant behavioral issues or are most of the horses fairly businesslike to ride? Well when they first come in, their first day of being ridden they will be perfect, normally well behaved and just really cautious of everything.
Second day they are super naughty, and from then on they are a bundle of energy, after the first few weeks they become a nice ride, well if they are a nice horse.
What is the male-female ratio among exercise riders and jockeys? I've always gotten the impression that it is still a very male-dominated field. There is probably around 2 or 3 female jockeys in a race of say 10 people.
What's your favorite thing about the industry? Who's the coolest person you've met through the industry? Coolest thing, pretty much is just understanding how it all works.
I haven't actually met anyone famous or anything in the industry, but i've met a lot of really rich people :P.
My family used to own a harness race horse when we were kids, and apparently some people used to "shake" the horses, which meant running a tube down into their stomach and filling them with baking soda. It supposedly helped remove lactic acid from muscle tissue so the horses had better endurance during the race. It was illegal, of course, and apparently any time the inspector would show up you'd see a couple of owners loading their horses back into the trucks so they wouldn't get caught. Have you heard of this before/is it common in that type of horse racing? This is the first I have heard of it! that's actually quite interesting though.
The only time we have a tube down a horses stomach is when we routinely have the vet out to oil the horses. The vet pumps oil into their stomach which flushes out any sand or blockages and prevents the horses from having colic
Would you have done anything differently as you developed experience? If you could jump into any other job you wanted right now, what would it be? Probably gotten out of this industry haha.
And into the police force, preferably mounted police :)
I come from car and motorcycle racing and the skill is obvious (well maybe it's not obvious in NASCAR), but I just don't get it from a horse riding perspective. Can you explain it in ways people that aren't involved can understand? These jockeys jump on a horse that a lot of the time they've never ridden before, they don't know how the goes round or how it normally feels. The horse is galloping in a group of horses, it wants to run, so the jockey has to hold the horse back, sometimes they can't if the horse is too strong, and if the horse gets to close to the horse in front they clip heels and both horses can go fall down, which can result in both horse and jockey dying. They have seconds to make decisions while riding which could be a difference of life and death. Jockeys maneuver the horse through the pack, they can get boxed in or get stuck 3 deep and it depends on the jockeys ability to be able to get the horse out of the situation. So they have to control a 500+kg animal that they don't know much about if it's not a regular ride, maneuver the horse through the field, keep the horse happy, it might not like being at the back of the field or it might prefer that, whilst watching out around them for what the other jockeys are doing and make sure they aren't interfering or getting to close to them and make sure other jockeys aren't doing the same.
My grandmother always says the sport needs another triple crown winner. Do you agree that this could give horse racing a needed boost? I think another triple crown winner would be super exciting!
Are you friends with any more well known jockeys like Garret Gomez or Pat Day? I'm not friends with any super well known jockeys, but I worked for Alana Williams, who was probably the best female jockey in Australia!
Are you male or female? How much sexism do you see on the backside? I know in the US, while it's exponentially better than it was in the past (women are now actually allowed on the backside and can gallop/race/train/walk hots ect), it still exists in peoples attitudes. Edit: how do you feel about people who want to ban racing all together? Female, there is a whole heap of sexism. A trainer told my female friend who is an apprentice jockey that when she races to try and look like a boy and ride like a boy, that will help her get more rides and become more noticed. It is defiantly still dominated by male jockeys, but there are more and more female jockeys every year. People who want to ban racing all together, well, for starters thats never going to happen, there is so much money in racing. But I think everyone can have their own opinion, but it annoys me how it's often people who bag out this industry have no idea what it's like. The trainers and jockeys love what they do, they have to to be successful, it's their life not just a job.
I work in the equine supplements industry and I wanted to ask what kinds of supplements your horses use? Feed balancers, joint supplements. etc? It would be great, if you as a professional horse rider, could give some insights and tell me what is missing in the supplements market? Racehorses at the stables I work at don't actually get a lot of supplements, my boss makes her own miss up, and adds a few things like livermol (sp?) and garlic, but that's all I know for what she feeds. With my own performance horse I use livermol and a magnesium powder, stuff called topline, and another powder to help strengthen his hooves.
I dated someone that does your job, and I couldn't do it for five times what they pay you. From getting up way too fucking early, to all the physical injury you have, and will receive doing this? It's totally not worth it. If you love it though it's alright.
Been many times when I've gone out friday nights and gone to work still drunk :P
Do you have a favorite horse? Favorite horse is Galaxy Prince.
Do you own a horse of your own? Yes I do own a horse, he is 20yo and semi retired, my other horse who I just sold to an Olympian, is a 7yo ex racehorse.
How do you prevent/deal with injures on the track? Prevent injuries by wearing a helmet and body vest, having common sense also helps as well :P
I meant injuries on the horse, but that's nice to know as well. Do you think the horses like to race? Or do you think they would rather be in the pasture? When a horse gallops sometimes their fetlocks hit their bumpers and that can cause rubbing, so for races we bandage up their fetlocks so it doesn't do that, some horses that also tend to knock their legs we put boots on them.
Apart from that their isn't much else we can do to prevent injuries.
All the good and well known horses do enjoy racing, it's why they are good. But not all horses do, I have seen so many horses come through with heaps of potential, and they get into the race and don't try at all because they don't enjoy it.
I think majority of the horses would actually prefer to just be in a pasture, that goes for performance horses such as eventers and showjumpers.
My old math teacher grew up around jockeys. She said they would do weird stuff to keep their weight down. Have you seen anybody try something dangerous to stay lean? Drugs and bulimia are probably the worst
Bute has to stand for clembuterol, another thing we commonly tested for. It's all coming back to me, especially the smell of month old horse piss, lol. Yeah we all have short names for the drugs, when I look at the bottles I don't even know how to pronounce them lol!
Bute would be very common, at my old stable we would give it to the horses after they raced so in the morning if they were stiff and muscle sore it wouldn't hurt so much
Im late but if you see my question: How much does the racing depend in the horse and how much on the rider (percentage wise)? Mostly on the horse, seen some great horses win with terrible jockeys!
But in saying that the jockey does a shit load of work, and it makes a huge difference on how the horse goes.
But if you have a slow horse and a good jockey, the horse isn't going to magically win,
How do I get a job like yours??? Ask horse people if they know of any racehorse trainers looking for a worker
Dick Francis (or his wife) wrote a great deal about horse racing and the life of jockeys. Are your lives really that full of mystery and intregue? What's an interesting situation you've been in because of your job? Jockeys lives are very full on. They work pretty much 7 days a week.
I think all of it is pretty interesting, people are quick to judge the racing industry, but half the time they don't know how it all works. But what I find interesting is when horses run in a G1 or G2 race security guards actually come to the stable to watch them to make sure they aren't given drugs of any sort and everyone has to sign some forms to say that we worked that morning. It's also pretty cool that because of this job I have gotten to ride some extremely well bred horses and well known horses! (well, well known where I live)
Thank you for doing an AMA - I've always dreamt of being a jockey, but I'm too tall. I didn't that you could be taller than jockey height and still be a track rider! I've been riding horses as far back as I can remember. Do you have any horses of your own? It's different depending on what country you live in I think. In Australia you can be any height and weight to be a track rider, but I've heard in other countries you need to a certain weight.
Has a horse ever fallen while you were riding it? What happened? I had one that ran backwards and tried to rear and spin, she ended up falling on her side and my leg was pinned under her. We were both fine, bit bruised though.
So many times the horses i've been riding have tripped in the sand and nearly face planted it into the ground, that's a scary feeling! makes your heart jump everytime because if they were to fall over fully, well your f*cked is one way to put it haha
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Other than Twitter and Facebook, what modern day technology you most use to keep you informed on sports and other news? Does Reddit play a part there? Are you a redditor or just here for AMA? I read the AP news wires all day at work, so I'm always informed on breaking news and stuff like that. As for Reddit: Reddit is my home page, so definitely. I don't really comment on stuff though.
You shouldn't be afraid to click that link unless you are at work. It is nothing you haven't seen before. But probably not things you really want to see. Jeez! There's everything on here!
Why aren't women's professional sports more popular? Do you find them to be enjoyable? Will the WNBA still be here in 10 years? I can't stand the WNBA. So boring & slow-paced. So no, I don't see the WNBA being around. (Sorry if I offended any fans. Do they exist?)
Women's soccer, however...so much better. I always enjoy the women's World Cup whenever it's on.
Women's tennis might be more popular than men's. It's not, but it's very popular just like men's tennis. I just covered the Audi Melbourne Pro Tennis Classic and there was a surprisingly huge turnout. We're talking mid-ranked professional women's tennis. Biggest names there were Grace Min and Melanie Oudin.
I've heard there's actually a player cap for WNBA of ~$100k/year, and that the NBA pays out the rear to subsidize the WNBA. Are you aware of this, and if its true, what are your thoughts about whether the absurdly low salaries hurt the sport. I am. I know the NBA loses money every year with the WNBA. It's kind of sad. Unfortunately, I don't think women's baksetball is entertaining enough to make a profit here in the US.
Personally, I agree about the entertainment aspect, I was just curious as to whether you thought higher salaries could draw more entertaining talent. I'm not sure I could name a WNBA player since Swoopes. I think they already draw all of the entertaining talent. All of the top NCAA women's players go on to play for the WNBA. Maya Moore, anyone?
How many female sports do you report? I appreciate the sarcasm. But to answer: None, really. Unless if you consider NASCAR to be a female sport. Danica gets a lot of coverage.
Yeah, but she's a really shitty stock car driver. Agreed.
Upvotes for hearing a sports reporter that doesn't just adore everything Danica Patrick does. Hahahahaha I think most reporters can't stand the attention she gets.
I imagine your job would consist of constantly being hit on. Anyone we know? It happens (getting hit on), and it's annoying. I'm there to do my job and I love sports just as much as every other reporter covering it. Most athletes I cover get to know me personally and they don't normally hit on me. The athletes who do are usually from a visiting team. I mostly get heckled from the fans. I understand, they're probably wasted anyways. So I just ignore them. I was sexually harassed by a mascot once.
Also: I was told by a female mentor - who is a well-known ESPN reporter - to wear a fake engagement ring to prevent myself from being hit on. I didn't, because I just thought wearing a pretend engagement ring was weird. I dunno. Anyways, fast forward a year...I get engaged. It doesn't prevent anything. It makes things worse. It's a target on my back. Haha.
You got harassed by a mascot? I guess you're not a furry. It wasn't a furry mascot!! It was a Knightro: Link to centric.cos.ucf.edu
The reason why I say "a" Knightro is because about 10 people dress up as Knightro for UCF. So, yeah.
That was a few years back. Good times.
I'm guessing it's Erin. It's not. I'm not a huge fan of EA's, to be honest. I think she's more in it for the celebrity aspect.
Aw, you didn't answer the 'anyone we know bit'! Good on you, BTW. in Australia we have had a few women making inroads into sport commentary, reporting and even as referees for the more macho sports. It's a nice change from the usual style. You mean, you don't know who Knightro is?!
UCF student here, that is hilarious. GO Knights! Go Knights!
I can see where you might think that, over the years, she's become more "glamorous" and such, but when she started out, she was very sweet and nice. Put it this way: I used to idolize her until I found out who she really is.
Is it a Pokemon? HA.
What qualities were needed for the job (except looking pretty, I guess that good looks is important for television)? Being comfortable in any situation and being comfortable on camera. I don't think it's about good looks. I've seen plenty of ugly TV reporters. I think it's more about how you present yourself.
Have you always been interested in sports? I've always lived and breathed sports. Was always a tomboy growing up. Sports are a big part of my life. Can't imagine life without them.
Do you have a go to question to try and break the ice when interviewing somebody new? I like to ask a few icebreaker questions before, and I keep a few interesting questions in my back pocket. If I feel that the interview is going well, I'll break out an interesting question.
Most hilarious on-air blooper (if any?) Haven't had one on-air, thank goodness. I've had a lot of off-air moments like: "Shit, my mic isn't clipped right. Are you taping this? Stop focusing on my boobs, camera guy!"
Biggest sports celebrity you've interviewed? Michael Jordan. If you would have told me when I was 8 years old that I was going to interview Michael Jordan, I would have died. He was a hero growing up.
Biggest sports celebrity who has hit on you? In terms of biggest name who has hit on me: It's usually the practice squad guys or guys in college. Famous athletes usually aren't pigs with reporters, because they're smart enough to know not to mess with us because we'll write a story on them.
Oh My God, Michael Jordan! Did you ask anything about Space Jam?!!? I did, actually. I asked if a Part 2 was coming out and if Marcus and Jeffrey (his sons) were going to be in it. He wasn't amused. The reporters around me were.
I've heard he's not the nicest guy. Confirm or deny? Wasn't a jerk, but didn't exactly come off to me as good guy Greg.
Are you an avid reddit user? Reddit is my homepage.
Also, do you like hockey - which I might add is the most kick ass sport there is ;) I enjoy watching live hockey, but I'm not an NHL fan. I'll cover it if I have to. But I don't cover hockey. It's not popular.
Thx for the honest AMA though And thanks for the question! This is fun!
You should move to Canada then.. eh? No.
What was on Link to www.wwjnd.com ? It's linked from you Twitter but there is nothing up there, seems to give out "expired website" kind of error. WWJND.com was an NFL gossip blog/website that Fox Sports acquired from me as a parter-type venture. I had a one-year contract with them. Within that year I was hired at my current position. I couldn't keep the site because of a COI. So now it's no longer in existence. I should remove that link. Thanks for reminding me :)
Any interest in motorsports? Being american I would assume NASCAR, Indy etc, do you follow those? How about more European series, like Formula1, WRC? I've grown to love NASCAR. That's all I really cover though.
Do you think that they hired you because you were a girl or because you are good at what you're doing? I'd like to think that I got hired because I'm good at what I do.
I realize that being a female in this industry is going to make me a little more noticeable. But when it all comes down to it: I've had a passion for sports for as long as I could remember. This is my lifelong dream and I'm fulfilling it.
Hate to break it to you honey but you're not there for your reporting skills. I'm sorry you feel that way!
I've read through a bit of questions and noticed you like football. What team do you root for in the NFL? I grew up rooting for the Jets and still deep down inside am a die-hard fan.
Please don't hate me.
I'd like to think my bias doesn't show. I'm realistic about teams I dislike. For example, my AFCE prediction: I think the Patriots win the division this year by a landslide. Jets in second and squeak in the playoffs with a 9-7 record. Dolphins and Bills with 4-6 wins, 3rd and 4th.
I would say you are actually optimistic about teams that you dislike. I assume you dislike my team, the Miami Dolphins, because there is no way we win 4 games this year! Whenever the Dolphins are bad (which they will be this year), they always lose a whole bunch and then win the games they need to lose at the end of the season to obtain the No. 1 draft pick. It's pretty sad....but I don't mind at all!
Yep, it really pisses me off to know that we could have had Luck or RG3 instead of Tannehill! Honestly, I had Tannehill as a 2nd or 3rd round pick before the combine. People forget he was a WR in college and needs a ton of work. He's the type that needs to sit out for a few years and learn. Now..who's to say he can't do that under Matt Moore? Problem is, he won't. The Dolphins drafted him to play immediately.
It was a very stupid decision to pick him IMO. He will probably be no better than Matt Moore and no offense to him but what can he learn from Matt Moore? While we are at it, what can he learn from David Garrard? How Ireland hasn't been fired yet is beyond me. What does the guy know on Stephen Ross? I think if the Dolphins start Matt Moore, they'll go 7-9. Ryan Tannehill: 4-12.
Looks accurate, Matt Moore is definitely our best option at QB for now! For now. But I don't think Tannehill is the answer either. Prediction: Huge bust.
Do you know the offside rule in soccer? Why, yes. Yes I do.
Have you seen Brett Favre's dick? On Deadspin.
Fair enough. What is your favorite sport to cover? Football, without a question. I used to hate NASCAR, but now I've grown to love it after covering the Daytona 500. Love college basketball.
Which sport has more rowdy fans (drunk annoying aholes) - football or nascar? College football fans. By far.
I've only dealt with NASCAR fans on the inner circle of the track. Those are the classy ones.
Are male reporters allowed to go in the locker rooms of female athletes? I'm not sure. I don't really cover women's sports. Out of respect, I don't usually go into the locker room. In some instances, I have to because that's the only opportunity I have to get an interview. In that case, I bring a binder or something to cover my eyes. Haha.
Personally, I have never understood why it was necessary to go into the locker room after a game. Would you want someone with a camera near you after a shower? I wouldn't. I'm surprised leagues and the athletes themselves are OK with this. I'm not a big fan of it, and I try to avoid entering as much as possible. I'll only go in the locker room if it's an absolute must. I've noticed I have to go in the locker room more often when I'm covering the MLB. Some athletes purposely swing their dicks around. It's really immature and annoying.
Hey there! As an avid sports fan myself I can't help but be happy for you! But to the questions!!! That's awesome! Thanks so much for reading and feel free to follow my work on twitter.
What courses did you take to get into sports reporting? I was a journalism major in college, but I never took any specific "Sports Reporting" class. I've always been into sports - basically since I could walk - for as long as I could remember. I wanted to be a professional athlete growing up but I realized in high school that I couldn't make a living off of that (being a female) but I could still work in sports if I utilize my talents in other ways.
Top 5 PG's in the NBA? The PG position has changed so much over the years in the NBA. Now, the top PGs are technically forwards who play the point position. Point forwards. So I'll give you my top true PGs: Chris Paul, Rajon Rondo, Derrick Rose, Deron Williams, Ricky Rubio (as long as he stays healthy he can change the NBA).
I hope you take the time to respond to this and even if you don't, thanks for the AMA! Feel free to ask more!
Awesome! Thanks for the reply. I'm going to transfer and change my major and I thought that since I love sports I might as well pursue it right? So thanks for the info. I was thinking Nash, but I'm thinking as far as who will be the top 5 PGs next season. I think Rubio will be on that list.
Being stuck in the middle of nowhere Montana, I was thinking Missoula. I have a friend that is majoring in Journalism there and she says they're good. But due to my lack of being anywhere it's essentially my best bet. Being in a small market can be a good thing. I went to college in Orlando, Fla., so it was a little tougher to break into because that's a top 25 media market. My news organization is based in Melbourne, Fla., a much smaller city but still big enough to get my name out there.
Start small, but make a name for yourself where you're at so the people there don't forget you! If you become a reliable reporter about topics people care about, locals will love you. I can't tell you how many times I get thanked by parents for doing a report on local high school playoffs. Local news is important.
Good to hear! Thanks for all your advice here and for doing this great AMA. I can't wait to get started! Best of luck to you with your future endeavors.
BtW as an aspiring journalist I did really enjoy reading through your AmA, even if I've missed the party. If you have any questions feel free to ask! I love talking to aspiring journalists and I enjoy guest lecturing at journalism schools. It's my thing, I guess.
Has the advent of social media prompted reporters to cover different stories (read: gossip), ones that may have never otherwise been reported? As for social media, yes, I think it does force reporters to cover gossip-type stuff more. I don't mind it. I used to have an NFL gossip blog called WWJND. But a lot of other reporters do.
Have you ever worked with Erin Andrews/hung out with her at a game? Has she ever given you any good advice? What advice would you give to a college student who is interested in this work? I've worked at the same game with her a couple of times. She basically ignores all other reporters, male or female. Unless if she works with them.
True story: During a basketball game, while the game is going on...EA whips out her makeup bag and starts reapplying lipgloss and bronzer. This is why women in sports aren't taken seriously, Erin. Go do that in the bathroom.
Another story: After a basketball game at UF, she goes to take a picture with the Gators Dazzlers dance team. I heard her say: "I know how it's like to be one of you girls. I used to be a Dazzler too. I know how cool it is to take your pictures with celebrities and stuff."
Now, I hope she was being sarcastic. But I really don't think she was. Like I've said before, I feel like EA is in it for the celebrity. My favorite TV personality is Michelle Beadle.
Advice: Get involved at your campus paper or tv station and work your butt off. Always have a copy of your resume on hand.
I've always expected her to be a nice girl who will talk to the fans, guess not. I can see her being like that with the make up though, I feel like she always wants to look her best but it's dumb to do that in front of everyone. Thanks for the advice though! She'll talk to the fans and sign autographs. She's a celebrity.
That she is, and she's pretty good at her job. So another question, what's the biggest game you've ever been at for a report (college and professional) for football and basketball? Haven't covered a Super Bowl yet, but I will when it comes to Florida. I've covered the NCAA March Madness tourney. Covered a few collegiate bowl games..Liberty Bowl, St. Pete Bowl, Champs Sports Bowl, Capital One Bowl.
Being at the Super Bowl for a report would be just mind blowing. Considering you'd get a field pass. Do you usually? Yes. But I'm not there the entire game. With football games, I sit in the press box for quarters 1-3. 4th quarter I'm on the field. Reporters can't be on the field the entire game or it would crowd the sidelines. That's why there's only one or two sideline reporters, and they work for the network providing TV coverage (I.e. ESPN, CBS, ABC, NBC).
I like being up in the press box. It lets me see the game from the best seat in the house. That way, I know what I'm talking about when I tape a post-game report from the field.
Do you notice that a large percentage of the population is not interested in sports? Esp compared to the interest level of 20 years ago. For example, what percent of the population know who the best batter or pitcher is in the major leagues? Accepting the premise, why the lack of interest in sports today? I don't really see that at all, to be honest. Just because baseball isn't the No. 1 sport any more doesn't mean people aren't interested in sports. It just means that people are interested in different sports, like the NFL and the NBA.
Are you in any fantasy football leagues, and does being a reporter give you a really good ability to predict wins/losses? Thanks! I love AMA's on reddit, and I was really bored and awake at 6 a.m. for some reason. I noticed no one in my profession had done an AMA, so I went ahead and did it.
Because of inside info or general sports expertise, like a meteorologist predicting weather? I usually keep about 3 fantasy football teams per year. I think being a reporter helps because you're really informed. But I don't think we have an edge because of inside information. Unless if your name is Adam Schefter.
Also, do you like the tv show "The League"? I don't really get to watch a lot of TV. So no. My friends who watch it tell me that I'll love it. So I'll have to check it out to see if it's on Netflix or something.
Seriously, I have no interest in sports whatsoever, but this AMA is fascinating. You're great at this. For real?! That's awesome! I'm happy to keep you entertained. Thanks for reading.
Definitely on Netflix. I love it! Thanks for answering. 3 Fantasy football teams seems like an incredible feat! Just watched the first episode. I'm hooked. Thanks for the recommendation.
What, if anything, do you think about Roger Federer? He might be the GOAT. To those to who say he's done, I laugh.
Which do you prefer, American football, or football? American. But don't get me wrong: I do love me some soccefutbol/calcio. I just don't cover any major soccer on a regular basis.
I have a tendency to be annoyed by the voice of a female sports reporter. I searched up some of your work and you actually sound like you know what you're talking about. Question is, would you ever like to be a commentator for say, ESPN? Wow, thank you so much. That really means a lot.
I'd love to work for ESPN, or any other major sporting news outlet. But I don't want to be Erin Andrews. I'm not in this for the fame. I want to make a living doing what I love.
Former aspiring female sports journalist here. Why the hate for Erin Andrews? She may be completely gorgeous, but she's also a graduate of one of the best journalism schools in the country (also my alma mater), and she damned sure knows her sports and has an amazing on-air personality. I agree that UF has an amazing journalism school. I actually got to check it out a few months ago at a regional SPJ conference. Beautiful, brand-new facilities.
I used to idolize Erin Andrews until I found out who she really is. I know she knows her sports and is good on-camera. No hate on her for that. But I feel like she's changed over the years. She's transformed into a celebrity. She has endorsement deals. She was on Dancing with the Stars. It's crazy. I feel like she's in it for the celebrity. It's hard to take her seriously.
Also...why former?
Do you ever cover the NHL? I don't. Different world down here in Florida. Not a lot of NHL popularity. Down here it's football, then college football, then NASCAR with some college basketball, NBA and MLB sprinkled in.
Is wearing low cut shirts a must for TV personalities? Haha, no. It does seem that way, though.
Just curious, what's it like to be in the media department? Well for sports anyway. Enjoy your job? I love my job. It's interesting to get to view sports from an insider's perspective. There's a lot that goes on. The best moments at my job are not moments that come from games. It's the stuff behind the scenes.
Like when George O'Leary drove me to my car in his sweet golf cart after interviewing him. I'm pretty sure he was drunk. Best. Thing. Ever.
How was he? A lot of people try to paint GOL as a bad guy. I don't think that at all. He means well. He's old school. I almost feel bad for him.
With all of the concussion-related deaths of former NFL players, how long do you see the league lasting? Forever. But I think the NFL will have to pay up in a lawsuit.
Bless you. Silly. I know what you were trying to ask.
Do you see yourself doing what you do now for the rest of your life or do you have different aspirations than reporting? I wish I could do this forever. However, how many female sports reporters do you see over the age of 50? Not many. I just want to make a living doing what I love. That's what I do now. It would be nice to deliver sports news to the largest audience possible. That's the goal. I know that TV reporting is short-lived, though. I may go into teaching when I'm older. Would love to teach journalism.
Suzy Kolber! Little stretch though, she's 47. Maybe Joe Namath will try to kiss you too? If Joe Namath tried to kiss me. I'd drop the mic and run off.
With Joe Namath.
Do you do your broadcasts while the food is cooking? I guess I don't understand... Maybe while you're cooking food you could do like a sports show/cooking show. Not really sure who would want to watch that though. AHHHHH HE MADE A FUNNY!!!! Surprised it took this long for a kitchen joke.
How many times a day do you hear from a player, "we're going to take it one game at a time?" or any variation of this stock answer? Unless something wild and unexpected happens, I imagine reporting sports would get very dull after the thrill of meeting celebrities wears off. I hear it a lot. But it's on the reporter to craft a question in a way to force the subject to answer as creatively as possible. I always ask two-part questions and ask them to elaborate. I might piss off some people, but I have to do my job too.
You've said you don't really cover women's sports, but that you were very much into playing sports growing up. Who would be your "top 3" wish list of women in sport that you'd interview if you could (regardless of whether they're alive now)? That's a really good question. Abby Wambach, Kerri Strug and Mia Hamm.
I interviewed Danica. She was pretty dry. Michelle Akers was awesome.
Also: dog person, cat person, or other? Dog person. Why is this such a big deal on here?
Did you do any print stuff, or are you only on tv? I used to do print stuff. But right now, I'm mainly web and TV. Sometimes my columns will run in print. But I'd say 80% web and TV.
Ever talked with/interviewed Mark Martin? When I followed NASCAR, he was always my favorite driver. Mark Martin is a cool guy. Never ages, I feel like. Always very friendly to reporters. He's a veteran.
Oh and any good stories about any Lakers (past or present)? Nothing too crazy, because I don't really cover them. Saw Metta World Peace when he was Ron Artest at a night club in downtown Orlando after they played the Magic. It was him, his posse, and a bunch of groupies all up in the VIP. Typical NBA.
Who is your favorite reporter to read/watch/listen to? Well, my favorite writereporter is Jane McManus of ESPN. She's a mentor of mine and she does some great work.
My favorite TV personality is Michelle Beadle. Love how she's the anti-Erin Andrews. And she's not afraid to hide it.
Also, go 'Canes. ;) Awwwww come on!
Do you cover the Magic? What's your take on the Van Gundy/Howard situation? I'm pretty sure Stan is gone, but I think they should trade Howard as well. I do. I think Howard is driving Van Gundy out of Orlando and will use that as leverage to try and stay to get a huge deal. He won't stay though, because Dwight is a psycho selfish douche. Did you see this press conference? Link to www.youtube.com
Translation: The Magic are screwed. No Van Gundy next year. No Dwight after that. It's a shitty situation. It's sad that the Amway is going to become a big, fancy paperweight downtown. Ryan Anderson is going to be the Magic's biggest name after Dwight leaves.
Were you at that press conference? I wish I was, but no.
Favourite soccer team? Grew up watching Juve. Still do. I'm glad they're doing well this year.
Ever cover tiger woods? (or did he cover you?) j/k.. Seriously tho, golf, do you get to cover it? I have covered golf (and Tiger Woods). First time I met him was at Bay Hill...his first year back from the crazy scandal that happened. He was very polite and cordial to all of the reporters. Supposedly he treats media differently now. I heard he used to be a jerk.
What did you major in? Did you do any internships beforehand? Do you report all sports? I majored in journalism. I was an intern for Scout.com / Fox sports and worked for my campus newspaper. All that good stuff.
Most sports. I report what's popular in my market. NHL, for example, is not popular so I don't really do anything with hockey.
That's nice, I'm really interested in pursuing the same field. How does the communications degree differ with the journalism degree in this field? I'm a little biased, but I think journalism majors are more well-rounded because we can write and report stories. Communications majors know how to read off a teleprompter.
That's a nice factor for me to look into, thanks! Do you think a major in one of them and a minor in the other is a good idea or not necessary? It's not really necessary, and usually they're in the same "college" so all of the pre-req courses are the same.
You mentioned that you've interviewed Tiger Woods. What other golfers have you interviewed, and what were they like? Got to talk to Arnold Palmer at Bay Hill. What a sweet, old man. I just wanted to hug him. Dustin Johnson was pretty cool. Those were the only other guys who I've gotten to do a one-on-one with. Everyone else I've interviewed, including Tiger, was in a group-type setting. No one really came off as a jerk.
Also, what is your handicap? As for me...I normally shoot anywhere from a 90-95 from the whites. I refuse to play from the red ladies' tees. Best round ever was an 88 at TPC Sawgrass.
If you could get a less than appropriate "pic" [insert favre joke here] sent to you from anyone in the sports world who would it be and why? Not to sound lame or anything, but no one. I don't get my jollies from that. Unless if it's Tim Tebow. Then I know that'll be a huge story.
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Do you play any sports/have a competitive background? I played softball and basketball in high school. Was going to play softball in college. I blew out my ankle my senior year, and that was that.
What's your opinion on soccer in general? MLS, EPL, whatever. Do you think it'll ever get the respect it's fans(me included) think it deserves in America? I would hope so, but it would take some time. ESPN and all the other major sporting networks need to do a better job showing more games. The World Cup catches on. Why can't pro soccer in general?
Do reporters sleep with athletes? I don't know any. Such a funny, common assumption.
Have you ever noticed the sexist treatment dana jacobson gets on first take? especially from that asshat jay crawford? I see it. It happens. She takes it all in stride though. Good for her.
Just stumbled upon this. Have you seen this? Link to www.twitlonger.com
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[Table] I am an Australian Stripper AMA

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Ever stripped for a koala? They are my main source of income :p.
What about Skippy? :p. Skippy is a Kangaroo I hear he hates strippers.
Is it hard to dance when you're upside-down? Not if you got skills :)
How is stripping different in the Southern Hemisphere ? Like do you spin around a pole clockwise? I think we sorta went through this one up a little higher x.
What are some unfortunate events that you may have encountered? For example some blokes that might of had a bit too much to drink and decided to get closer or more touchy? I'm not sure of the laws, but I know here in NSW, from what people say, no touching or the likes, but up in brissie, it's ok touch? What's the rules in VIC? I've had touchy guys, funnily enough it's usually when they are lying on the ground which as you can imagine is not a safe place to be when you've pissed me off, they touch me somewhere I told them not to touch and they get hurt but they always know why :) on the private circuit every girl is different, my rule is they can touch everything but the bits down under.
Furthermore, when people, friends, families, etc, find out about your profession, do they impose a negative stigma? Do they suddenly think you're very "slutty" (poor word choice, sorry). Friends and family don't care what I do, occasionally when guys find out I see their faces change and I can tell they are instantly looking at me as an object instead of a person, and slutty is the perfect choice of word, I would bet on the fact that everyone who's downvoted this topic thinks I'm a slut :)
Ah that makes sense. Just one more question, do you actually get freaked out by some of the guys there? Last time I was with a friend down in Melbourne, and he suggested we go to a strip club, so I tagged along and it was the first time for me. The only thing that caught my attention the most was the fact that. That all the guys were very dirty and seedy, to be honest I'd feel pretty grossed out if I was a girl in that position. Furthermore, there were some girls who would come up to us really close, shoulder around me and my mate, and would suggest a private one-on-one, but it was quite disgusting because a lot of them, stunk, bad smoke breath, or a little too much on the sweaty side, was I just unlucky to have encountered types like those? Probably slightly unlucky, there is psychology involved in touching, it is supposed to make you more likely to do what someone says, I was never a touchy hustler, I tend to use my words more :)
Lol cool, I won't go back anyway's, I was just curious what it's like, told the gf about it too, she was more curious about if the strippers were pretty, girls sure like to check out other girls. I find the touchy thing a bit of a turn off, makes them seem rather cheap and desperate. I agree.
I'm from Alberta, Canada. In our province you absolutely cannot touch the dancers. After they dance for a couple of songs, they go around the stage and you get to throw $1 coins at their hoo-ha's, tits, whatever. Have you heard of this before? What are your thoughts? I've never heard of coin throwing lol sounds dangerous :) it just doesn't happen here, no one throws any denomination of money at us.
No one throws hard, more degrading than dangerous. Thanks for your AMA! No problem, thanks for asking me something :)
Is it true that you started stripping after the Journal of Applied Physics rejected two of your submissions on the grounds that you were to sexy to know anything? If not, how did you adventure into this gig? I often get the you're not what I thought you would be response from people, I think they expect me to giggle and say I dunno a lot lol I started learning how to pole dance and thought hey I could go work at a strip club fri/sat night earn some pocket money and learn new tricks off the girls, once I started earning more money at the club than at my 9-5 I quickly gave that the flick and just worked at the club. One of the showgirls then took me under her wing and taught me how to do a simple show, I joined the circuit, quit the club and have been constantly learning how to improve on what I do since then.
What was your 9 to 5? I worked for the government, social services.
Do you clean the pole off after others dance on it? Yes, otherwise it's slippery :)
Wow that was a quick reply, I have another question I've dated 2 strippers, theyve told me that they take advantage of guy who actually think they like them, to take all their money, do you do this? I have known plenty of girls that do that but it's not really in my nature to take advantage of people, if you want to give me money then do so but I'm not going to try and bust your balls over it. If I realise a guy actually likes me as more than just a performer I make my lines clear. I don't even ask if they want another dance I let them make that decision and I have been known to talk a guy out of spending everything he's got on me. I have a conscience and I don't want it to bug me later :)
Awesome answer. Last question. Here in Canada it's actually legal to have sex with strippers for money what are the laws in Australia and would you partake in this if it was lucrative for you? Prostitution is legal in Australia but kept separate from stripping, in brothels you are not allowed to drink alcohol, strip clubs you can so there aren't really any that combine the two services. I personally would not have sex or exchange sexual favours for money because it's just a line I don't want to cross, strippers in Aus make more than hookers do also so it's not an idea I've ever entertained. I love the dancing and making people laugh, knowing I've made it a better night for them makes me happy, I don't think I could have that same level of fulfillment as a prostitute.
This is so weird. You'd think people would pay more for the actual sexings than just to see a girl naked. You should post about that to Freakonomics website as a quirky market feature, they love that shit. Lol I love freakonomics. Strippers have become almost traditional when it comes to bachelor party celebrations so we are kinda lucky there. Actual sex isn't really entertainment and doesn't require too much from either party whereas stripping involves a lot more. There is a difference between a stripper and a showgirl, one that is appreciated more when you've seen both.
Hello fellow melbournian! whatchoo doing awake at 5am in the morning? ;) Anyway, I'm gonna assume you work at king st. Place is awesome! So many memories of myriad of bucks night with me mates. A) do you ever "judge" a client? As in, the girls usually go around chatting up guys but I've always wondered do they just randomly do it or do they pick out a particular group/person that display certain characteristics (i.e. looks rich) B) Any interesting stories of patrons that made your night or at least made you smile? C) Assuming you are single, have you ever met someone that you feel extremely attracted to and can see yourself marrying? If that is the case, what did you do? I don't work at a club babe, only private parties. A) Sometimes you judge, certain ethnic groups unfortunately tend to be cheaper, mostly you just try to talk to as many ppl as you can. B) Plenty made me smile, one dropped $1000 on me and that made my night. C) Yes but I didn't meet him through work, we were together for 8 years and onl recently broke up.
Which ethnic groups are the worst? In Aus the Indians were are the worst in clubs they want to pay the minimum and get the maximum, on the circuit they are great crowds.
Ahhh sorry i missed that bit. Thanks for your reply! sorry to hear about your break up. Must have hurt after such a long relationship. We are better friends than partners, it was quite amicable.
If you actually did meet the guy of your dreams and settle down, would you quit if he asked? What about if you had kids? No I wouldn't quit if he asked and it's actually a prerequisite to dating me that they understand what I do is just a job and not a reflection on how I feel about them, I am quite independent and if you ask me to do something I don't want to do I will eventually hate you for it. If I had kids I would leave the industry.
How many in the industry are ACTUALLY "paying their way through school"? Here in Aus not many, especially the girls that work in clubs. Girls who work what we call the circuit are more likely to be in school. 'The Circuit' is anything outside a club, usually we are booked through agencies to go to people's houses and perform certain shows that they have booked.
Will you marry me? I suppose anything is possible :)
What are some mistakes you have learned from? I've learned that not everyone will appreciate your sense of humour. That it's better to just keep going than give up. I've learned that I am in control not the crowd and how to let them know that. I've learned that confidence is key and nothing brings out a predator more than someone who looks like they don't know what they're doing and the most important thing I've learned is that you can never stop learning.
In rough figures, how much does a party stripper in AU make, and how does that compare to other venues such as club and cam? In slow season around $500-$800 a week, busy season $1000-$2000, clubs are almost the same but the hours are longer so it's much harder to maintain. For a fantastic highly rated camgirl she may make the same or even more but usually does more hours. We work about 10 hours a week to make that money including driving to and from gigs.
So you work for a club or are the private parties jobs of your own? I'm guessing there would be decent tips here and there, so is that extra cash in hand for you then? Clients call an agency and they pass the work on to me, they get a cut of everything I make, it's not much though.
Are you happy with your job? Is this an intermediary until you can get onto something better? If so, what do you want to get into? I love my job, I wouldn't do anything else. I previously worked for the government and before that other customer service or admin type roles but this is what makes me happy so that's why I do it.
That's admirable. A lot of people are afraid to do what they love because it's not as convenient or high-paying. Would you say it's more glamorous or seedy? It's a bit of a mix honestly, one hour you can be in one of the most expensive houses or hotels in town and then the next you are in a dive just begging for the show to be over lol.
What do your family and friends think about you being a stripper? My mum was kinda funny, at first it was why are you doing that now it's go make that money honey, dad is old school and doesn't know. My friends have always known me to be a performer so weren't surprised when I started, to them it doesn't make a difference what I do as long as I'm happy.
So, have you ever made a guy orgasm from a lapdance? Have you ever tried to? Not that I'm aware of and I've never tried to, my trick is to get my face up close next to their cheek during a dance, the minute they turn towards me in a sort of I'm going to kiss you moment is the minute I know I've got em lol.
What's the weirdest thing someone did to you? Or just the best story that you'll never forget. The weirdest thing has probably been someone paying me to suck on the heel of my shoe. One thing I will never forget is a whipped cream container exploding in my bag and having to use half a packet of baby wipes to clean it up when I got to the next show.
Well did you let him suck your heel? Fuck yeah I did, that's what they call easy money lol.
How much substance abuse do you see? Any pimps? No pimps that I know of. I see more substance abuse from the people at the parties than I do the girls hired to work them and we get offered stuff a lot.
If you have the time, I'd like to know what all these things mean - Raunchy, Bubble Bath, Strawberries & Cream, R-Works, Hot Vibe, Fruit & Veg, X-Works. Raunchy/15 minute strip with oils and lotions, BB/15-20 minute strip culminating in a bubble bath, S+C/15 minute strip where someone eats S+C off you at some point, R Works is all those things put together, Hot Vibe/ 30 minute Raunchy strip that includes 2 or more vibrators, F+V 30 minute strip were vibrators are substituted with F+V, X Works is a Hot Vibe with S+C and Bubble bath thrown in.
Why do you think that stripping etc. doesn't get respect as a professional? Why do we make such a huge deal about being naked? Oops I forgot the other questions lol.
How do you feel about yourself, doing this? People are too uptight, being naked is really no big deal. Everyone has to look down on someone and people in the adult industry are easy targets.
How long have you been on Reddit? I love doing what I do, I'm proud of myself for having the guts to do something most would never do and I'm proud that I'm actually good at it.
Do you mind telling us about yourself as a person? What do you read? What do you like to do? I read true crime novels, I like to do pretty normal stuff, hang out with friends, watch movies etc, I'm honest, loving and mostly really happy, I can be a bit fiesty at times and don't tolerate idiots well :)
The menu items that involve bubble bath, does that include the client in there with you? And how much touching is allowed in there? Seems hot. Except, I've never gotten the point of getting all worked up like this, when you can't really, you know, finish. The bath isn't really big enough for two, one person usually the groom to be gets to take the sponge and wipe you down.
Have you ever danced for girls? Gave girls a lap dance? How do they respond? I've danced for lots of girls, some laugh themselves stupid which is always fun and some really get into it, the ones that get into it always try to touch.
That said, are you more likely to let girls 'get away' with being a bit more cheeky than the guys? Yes, definitely but they still can't touch the bits!
Do you ever regret being a stripper and do you get recognized often by men when you are outside of your job? I never regret being a stripper, it's too hard a job to do for as long as I have if you don't like it. The only men I get recognised by are ones who've seen me perform a lot and I've usually established a certain rapport with them that they will talk to me and ask how I'm going, if anyone else has recognised me it's likely they are too shy to let me know it.
Haha I see, I thought it would a lot of men just hitting on you and such if they noticed you. Also one more question have you ever met anyone famous or well known where you work, or ever stripped for some famous? I've stripped for local celebrities but probably no one you would know.
Do you work in a club or on the circuit? Here in the states (Michigan at least) girls have to pay for the couches, dj and a couple other fees every night they dance. Is it like that in Australia? I work on the circuit, I started in clubs. In Melbourne we pay what's called a house fee, so a set price for the night that ranges from $30-$120 depending on the club. In other states the girls pay a percentage from every dance but keep 100% of their tips.
Interesting. Girls here have to pay flat fees, no matter what they make that night the fees are the same. It's a really shitty system here. Some nights the girls make good money some nights they pay more than they made that night. In Melbourne it's the same, sometimes the clubs won't make you pay if it's ridiculously quiet.
What's the difference between an Australian stripper versus any other kind? We are pretty liberal here, Victoria is probably the 'dirtiest' state which sort of raises the bar for the girls (can be unfortunate) we don't work on tips on the circuit ever we are flat fee. In the US the rules are a bit stricter, in Australia if you are a stripper you get naked and if you work in that kind of club then the guys can also touch above the waist.
Victoria is probably the 'dirtiest' state. Sounds like a challenge. Lol not a challenge at all, just the way it is.
The US is variable in that regard, particularly in clubs. Some can touch in private booths, others touch on open couches, some lap dances are fully nude, others to the waist, and others fully clothed. I know it's weird there.
Seeing that you obviously use one, which razor do you use? Lol you know what I have no idea, a schick I think.
Do you know Zyzz? No I never met Zyzz.
Are you aesthetic? Yes and no, in terms of beauty I believe I am average, in terms of emotion over intellect I am more attracted to intellect.
Have you ever done anything that has made you feel shameful or disgusting? Not yet but I guess there's always time. Some things I do I suppose you would think I should feel that way but IDGAF I just don't feel that way. To me it's just a job.
Does the legality of prostitution create problems for people like you who do sex-related work but not that? Do you get cases of genuine misunderstandings? Do you get pressure from people pretending to have misunderstood? Do Australian strippers as a group look down on Australian hookers? Vice versa? If your niece said she wanted to be a stripper, what would you say? I've never had it be a problem for me, it's made pretty clear to clients that sex is not a service we provide and I've never felt any pressure. I can only speak for myself and some of the other girls I know that we don't look down on hookers at all and I don't believe they look down on us, we both provide different types of service and are therefore not in competition with each other. If my niece was of age and said she wanted to strip I would tell her that it isn't as easy as she thinks it is and direct her to clubs with good working conditions.
If I went to Australia would you go on a date with me. I noticed you like intellect. I am the skinny shy guy, not muscular douchebag would I stand a chance even with your immunity to being hit on? Be honest? Well honestly I have a history of dating the nerdy types but I like a bit of attitude, I will as we say in Australia 'take the piss' out of you so you need to be able to give it back. I like computers and video games and sci fi expos as well as pole dancing and just being a big kid, I don't sit around painting my nails all day.
My future wife :) Wish more of the hot girls were like you. Most girls around here especially hot girls are stuck up. Gotta move to Australia, it's hot, beautiful women and of course rugby looks fucking awesome. We are pretty laid back in Aus, you still get plenty of stuck up hot chicks but lots of down to earth ones too.
I might need to rethink my trip to europe and replace it with a nice trip to Australia. Hmm cold and french or summer heat, bikinis and a language i can understand. This is a predicament. Doesn't sound like one lol.
Lol Paris has an aura to it but not speaking the language will pose problems. Don't know much about AUS but it's probably great in the cities. It is although much more culture in France.
Is Australia beautiful? Australia is beautiful, it's also harsh and unforgiving, some parts are gritty and cold. We are mostly quite laid back here. A little bit cocky and always up for a good time.
Hello it is my friends birthday in 8 days, would you be interested in doing a fellow redditor a favour? Hehehe. Honey when I'm around it's suddenly everyone's birthday.
I also looked at your images and they inspired a question! Is that pole in your house/apartment, and if so, how much do you use it? Also, you're kinda cute, but it might be the wine and whisky speaking... Haha the pole is in my house, I use it 3-4 times a week.
For practice or do you do private shows at home and/or webcam shows? I do cam but I never make any money on the pole, I use it mostly for exercise.
Ever climax on it? Nope.
How long do you expect your carreer to last and have you any plans for what comes after? I expect another 5 years, at most another 10. Afterwards I want kids and then I guess I'll see where I go from there.
Just read here that you do cam... site? is that permitted on reddit, surely, if not PM it ;) I'm really not on there a lot, I'm a bit slack, it takes the life out of me honestly, it's harder work than you may think :)
How is it mounted? It's pressure mounted, there is a disk at the top to balance it out, the brand is xpole.
Melbourne Heart or Victory? Essendon lol.
Proof? Check my submissions :) Or google me, Simone stripper Melbourne.
What's the biggest plus in your job? (ie any benefits cool things that have happened because you stripped.) Tickets to events mostly.
So you get to meet a lot of VIP then right? Do you strip for them on occasions? Edit: that's pretty cool that you get the tickets to events. Some, not heaps and if you do they usually are quiet about it lol.
Sorry I'm a bit late to join the AMA but I have got a real question. A good friend of mine strips a couple of times a month for a bit of extra cash but she's recently started a relationship with a guy who asked her to stop, and she has. Have you ever come across this scenario with a boyfriend? How did you respond? And if you haven't, have you given any thought to what your response might be? Yes I have, I stopped for about a month then I dumped him, I love my job too much to end it for a man who is essentially more interested in controlling me. Heaps of girls leave the industry because of men.
Do strippers in Australia twirl on the poles in the opposite direction as they do in the US? Yes.
There was a recent ban of small breasts in porn in Australia-thoughts from somebody in the adult industry? Also, have you ever stripped for Steve Irwin? It's a stupid rule, guys and girls like all different types of breasts and no never.
What are the proper etiquette rules to follow when hiring a stripper and what can the costumers do so you and your costumers can have a good and healthy time? They call an agency, let them know what the event is, how many ppl and if there will be girls present, in order for it to be a good show the crowd needs to get involved when prompted, have fun and not take it too seriously, don't tell the stripper what to do, she's done it way more times than you have and don't be overbearing as it can be intimidating especially for less experienced girls.
Does one pay upfront? Should one tip during the show? If so, how much is the common? And, this is a stretch but what are the boundaries? (example, if it is ok for you to have a couple of drinks during the show or to prevent friends to try to get your personal number) Yes you pay the girl upfront, drinking is fine, chances are she wont give out her number anyway so you can ask all you want :) we all have our own cards with agency numbers on them.
By the way, is it possible to recognize the shy guy in the room? And if so, how often do you prefer him to be part of the show? Or do you see that one normally prefers the the ones that are a little more aggressive? The shy guys do different things, some won't make eye contact, sometimes they giggle a lot or run away when you come near. The aggressive ones are not as easy to handle if you get them involved and I hate losing my voice because I've screamed at a dude to get on his fucking knees ten times :)
Do Australians like Outback steakhouse? We don't have it. We just have steak restaurants, TGI fridays is however fantastic so thanks for that :)
Can you describe the time you got most turned on on the job ever? Probably during a lap dance with a cute guy, generally when I'm drunk.
Does it turn you on to strip or is it just a 'platonic' work for you? It's just platonic, during a show you are thinking all the time so it's not conducive to an erotic situation. I think about what I'm about to do next and what I need to do by the time a song reaches a certain part or how much time I have left.
How does having your level of confidence / attractiveness affect the quality of guys you attract and their ability to make a move. I imagine you must get a lot of heroes and tools making passes, but the nicer guys would be a little or a lot intimidated by you, especially at first. It's what makes them nice after all. How do you get ure nice guys who look after you rather than use / abuse or take advantage? I attract all different kinds of guys, I get hit on a lot, it makes me slightly immune which is sorta sad because it means they have to be something extra special to hold my attention. To be honest it's a hard question to answer because I don't really date or give many people a chance in that respect. I also just came out of a fairly long relationship so have not had time yet to be used/abused or taken advantage of. From what I can recall last time I was single I met a lot of douchebags.
What attracts you in men you sleep with? Is there a lot of drug use in your line of work? Do you do any drugs? How many men have you had sex with? What's your favorite position? I like intelligent men who make me laugh. There is no more drug use in my industry than any other industry, I don't do drugs. I've slept with enough ppl although I have been in a relationship for the last almost 9 years and I don't have a favourite position.
Do you or any of your associates get approached with offers for you to "do more than just strip" often? Do you or anyone you know tend to take those offers or is that highly frowned upon in the profession? Yes we get offered on a regular but not overwhelming basis, the girls that take guys up on those offers are generally not hired out again by the agency, if girls do more than they should it starts to set a standard the rest of us are not willing to meet and changes the way clients look at us in general.
Do you watch the cricket? Have you ever stripped at a function held at an historic location? No I don't watch the cricket, I don't think I've ever danced in a historic location.
I think this was a coy attempt at finding out if you have worked the Cricketer's Arms... Maybe, I haven't but I've worked at The Royal like a billion times.
I don't think you're as sexy as I previously did. I'm sure that you care, as well. Lol are you really sure :) I don't care, can't be everyone's cup of tea.
Yep. You fall into the category of "Attractive women who will never sleep with me," and the women from that category who like cricket are sexier than the ones that don't. Hahaha I like your reasoning.
I'm sure you do, and to be clear I like what you have posted, I was just being creepy and hoping to get you to pose for me. What about point 1)? I have work planned but my shows only run for 30 minutes so I am not completely booked out yet.
Do you like it enough to recategorize yourself as "Attractive woman that would sleep with Dave"? If not, I don't really care either ;) I think I'd need to meet Dave before I answer that question.
How often do you masturbate? Do you masturbate a lot, or do you have sex with a boyfriend more? A lot but mostly because it's part of one of my jobs.
Why did you become a stripper? I just answered that one, about how I adventured into it lol it's kinda long xx.
What is a stripper? (serious question) Someone who performs an erotic dance in which they remove all their clothing.
Do these dances, in your practice, make men ejaculate? Nope.
Oh, I remember you. I still can't think of you as anything other than Khaleesi because of that one picture. On topic, I used to be security at a... gentlemen's club in the southern US. Having never been to Australia, are there proper strip clubs, what are the nudity rules (topless, full nude, etc), and if you've worked both, do you find you make more money at parties or at clubs? There are 'proper' clubs, they are all full nude, some touching. I've worked both and the money is better in shows plus you make it in half the time you do when at a club.
What as the biggest spider you've ever seen, and has one ever snuck up on you when you were working? Maybe the size of a huntsman, I think our bugs may be slightly over exaggerated and no I've never had a spider sneak up on me.
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